Punisher grips on 1911 issues?
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nefprotector
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WOW! I was actually thinking about ordering a pair for my RIA 1911. But Damn.......
nefprotector
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Since someone brought it up. What about firearms with names like: The Judge, Cobra, King Cobra, Pit Bull, etc?
The simple, but not so helpful, answer is that the grips will be a total non-issue unless they're not.
The longer answer is that if the shooting is clear cut--either clearly self-defense or clearly murder--then the grips will probably never be an issue.
But if the circumstances of the shooting are questionable then they may be brought up to try to convince the jury that the defender had a mindset that was not fully consistent with the basic principles of the legal use of deadly force in self-defense.
Like so many things in life there's not a clear answer. So people will have to make a decision based on their assessment of:
1. The odds that the grips will be an issue. (Small)
2. The potential negative outcome if the grips do actually become an issue. (Significant)
3. The positive effect of having the grips on the gun. (Personal preference satisfied)
I've made my decision. It was easy in my case because those grips aren't a personal preference so there's no reason for me to even consider installing them.
The longer answer is that if the shooting is clear cut--either clearly self-defense or clearly murder--then the grips will probably never be an issue.
But if the circumstances of the shooting are questionable then they may be brought up to try to convince the jury that the defender had a mindset that was not fully consistent with the basic principles of the legal use of deadly force in self-defense.
Like so many things in life there's not a clear answer. So people will have to make a decision based on their assessment of:
1. The odds that the grips will be an issue. (Small)
2. The potential negative outcome if the grips do actually become an issue. (Significant)
3. The positive effect of having the grips on the gun. (Personal preference satisfied)
I've made my decision. It was easy in my case because those grips aren't a personal preference so there's no reason for me to even consider installing them.
If it's a common modification made for ergonomic reasons that doesn't impact the safety or function of the pistol then it would be a real stretch to try to twist that into something that would cast the owner in a bad light.
Not nearly the same thing as putting something that ties back to a vigilante fictional character on the gun.
Nickel Plated
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The other issue is do you want your nice, fancy grips to be thrown into an evidence locker for the next three years where they will rot and rust until the court case is over with? That's why you should never use some high dollar custom gun as a SD or HD piece. Get something cheap and straight to the point that you wouldn't mind giving away for a very long time.
nefprotector
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Hell! I put'em on mine. Dont realyy care what anybody thinks.
orionengnr
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Don't care...
Don't think...
Sounds about par for the course. Good luck.
Get back to me in 20 years and let me know how that strategy works out for you.
Clue: if you cannot spell or punctuate, nobody with a brain will take you seriously. Not that you will read or understand this.
Sucks to be you.
Don't think...
Sounds about par for the course. Good luck.
Get back to me in 20 years and let me know how that strategy works out for you.
Clue: if you cannot spell or punctuate, nobody with a brain will take you seriously. Not that you will read or understand this.
Sucks to be you.
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Bear Claw Chris
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When your on the hot seat, you tend to care very much what those 12 people think.............
Spats McGee
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In the SD context, it seems to me that there are three basic scenarios:
1) It's obviously a good, clean SD shooting. In this case, the Punisher grips really shouldn't be an issue.
2) It's obviously not a good, clean SD shooting. In this case, the Punisher grips won't be an issue, but you'll have much bigger things to worry about. Like agg assault or maybe murder charges.
3) It's on the borderline. In this case, there's lots of stuff to be considered before the picture on the grips. Still, I wouldn't want the prosecuting attorney to have the opportunity to link me with a comic book character who is a mentally unstable vigilante.
1) It's obviously a good, clean SD shooting. In this case, the Punisher grips really shouldn't be an issue.
2) It's obviously not a good, clean SD shooting. In this case, the Punisher grips won't be an issue, but you'll have much bigger things to worry about. Like agg assault or maybe murder charges.
3) It's on the borderline. In this case, there's lots of stuff to be considered before the picture on the grips. Still, I wouldn't want the prosecuting attorney to have the opportunity to link me with a comic book character who is a mentally unstable vigilante.
Frank Ettin
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BUT --AirForceShooter said:
[1] Some things that may be used against you might also help you on the street -- like the using JHP ammunition or being well trained. And you can also come up with some good explanations that could sit well with a jury.
[2] Some things are easier and more effective to use against you. Wpould you really want a jury wondering why you found it appropriate to embellish your lethal weapon with an image associated with a comic book vigilante.
Never underestimate the capacity of non-gun people to think like that. And never doubt the willingness of a prosecutor to try to plant the seeds of such thoughts in the minds of non-gun oriented jurors. And never forget that the prosecutor will, during jury selection, be systematically excluding from the jury anyone who knows anything about guns or shooting.
Maybe a little OT, but this:
strikes me as all wrong.
I don't know about you, but I love me, and my family. If it will help me to end a threat faster, I'll purchase the finest grips, gun, ammo, and holster money can buy. Anything that I can afford that helps me move lead into a life-or-death threat faster is well worth it. Once it hits the evidence locker, it paid for itself.
One man's thoughts.
Having said that, there was a thread a few years ago about this. My feelings remain the same: Why do something that you already think might get you in dutch? Buy a poster; hang it in your garage, and leave the thing reasonably stock.
-L.
strikes me as all wrong.
I don't know about you, but I love me, and my family. If it will help me to end a threat faster, I'll purchase the finest grips, gun, ammo, and holster money can buy. Anything that I can afford that helps me move lead into a life-or-death threat faster is well worth it. Once it hits the evidence locker, it paid for itself.
One man's thoughts.
Having said that, there was a thread a few years ago about this. My feelings remain the same: Why do something that you already think might get you in dutch? Buy a poster; hang it in your garage, and leave the thing reasonably stock.
-L.