Assuming you're correct and these encounters will be comprised of 'civilized' and 'sympathetic' rioters, I can assure you that all you need is to fire one round. That's called a show-stopper. After that they'll not likely be so inclined to mob you or stick around your car. Remember, they'll always go for softest target around. I can assure that will not be me.
Protesters turn violent. What do you do?
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I never, never said that this was going to be true.
That's utter nonsense. No matter who is there, if it's a riot, there are bad people. If there's a riot, it's not going to be giant mass of monsters who want to kill everyone in sight, either.
Sure, firing a round may solve things. Go on and keep believing that everything is simple and can be solved as easily as that.
That's utter nonsense. No matter who is there, if it's a riot, there are bad people. If there's a riot, it's not going to be giant mass of monsters who want to kill everyone in sight, either.
Sure, firing a round may solve things. Go on and keep believing that everything is simple and can be solved as easily as that.
We could also argue in favor of a motorcycle. But that brings up the point of how many people die every year in cycle accidents, and whether a risk assessment would really support driving a motorcycle on the freeway vs the threat of getting caught and killed in a freeway riot?
Most of the guys I know who ride would use that as an excuse to leave the car at home and ride to work...
Most of the guys I know who ride would use that as an excuse to leave the car at home and ride to work...
stephen426
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No need to get snippy guys...
Let's assume that things descend into chaos fairly rapidly. Would you risk surface streets to avoid the highways, or would you feel safer on highways?
The project I am working on in Charlotte is delayed so hopefully things die down by the time I need to go. I don't know surface streets well and the distance from the airport is pretty far. I use my Google Maps on my phone, but it won't tell me where the mobs are gathering. Even if there were pockets, I would not know what areas I would have to traverse.
Let's assume that things descend into chaos fairly rapidly. Would you risk surface streets to avoid the highways, or would you feel safer on highways?
The project I am working on in Charlotte is delayed so hopefully things die down by the time I need to go. I don't know surface streets well and the distance from the airport is pretty far. I use my Google Maps on my phone, but it won't tell me where the mobs are gathering. Even if there were pockets, I would not know what areas I would have to traverse.
Your question is a good one. I think this is much dependent upon the time of day or night. If traffic is moving along at a good clip on the expressway I'd venture to say it'd probably not be a good idea for rioters to wander out into moving lanes of traffic with cars going along at 50+ MPH.
It seems that with no work and no school - nights and weekends - that's when trouble is most likely to reach the boiling point. Nighttime especially is the time most desired for those with malice in their hearts.
Also, according to the FBI Director, his agency is predicting (expecting?) more and more terrorist acts of the lone wolf sort. Look at the chaos caused by a single gunman in Dallas.
It seems that with no work and no school - nights and weekends - that's when trouble is most likely to reach the boiling point. Nighttime especially is the time most desired for those with malice in their hearts.
Also, according to the FBI Director, his agency is predicting (expecting?) more and more terrorist acts of the lone wolf sort. Look at the chaos caused by a single gunman in Dallas.
That is a very good question. I think staying on the interstate is almost always the best answer. Getting into the neighborhoods of any urban area is going to be a risky move, unless you know the landscape and have options.
Yes, stopping traffic on an Interstate is not easy to do and takes a fairly large committed group. I live in the greater St Louis area, and during the Ferguson unrest it happened a couple of times. The problem is once traffic is stopped things will deteriorate quickly and reinforcements are limited in there ability to quickly intervene. Being aware of the threatened shutdown and avoiding that route if possible, and seeing and evaluating the situation from a distance is the best you can hope for.
Yes, stopping traffic on an Interstate is not easy to do and takes a fairly large committed group. I live in the greater St Louis area, and during the Ferguson unrest it happened a couple of times. The problem is once traffic is stopped things will deteriorate quickly and reinforcements are limited in there ability to quickly intervene. Being aware of the threatened shutdown and avoiding that route if possible, and seeing and evaluating the situation from a distance is the best you can hope for.
one of the great challenges of truth and civil responsibility is universality. what would happen if everyone did it? half the town? twice as many as expected?
chaos.
don't count on escaping trouble by dodging around in side streets that are already probably at full capacity.
with maybe a 100% increase in traffic, the best case scenario is a lot of people late for work and a spike in traffic problems. worst case is that all hell breaks loose on another street because of an unrelated incident.
chaos.
don't count on escaping trouble by dodging around in side streets that are already probably at full capacity.
with maybe a 100% increase in traffic, the best case scenario is a lot of people late for work and a spike in traffic problems. worst case is that all hell breaks loose on another street because of an unrelated incident.
I’m by no means advocating running people down, however I do wonder if we shouldn’t try very hard not to stop. I doubt many of these protestors want to “die for the cause” so they very slowly and gradually push onto the interstate and stop traffic. If people simply blow their horns and continue at a safe speed I doubt anyone is going to jump in front of a car going sixty miles per hour. However, once one car stops that’s it and they have control of the freeway.
yes, but again, once one single person stops, everyone on the highway is SOL, as sooner or later that blockage will just keep growing.
If a crowd wants to swarm a highway, all it really takes is just one driver to do it. One lane comes to a standstill, the adjacent lanes are slowed by various means, people push past the first lane into the next, and in a matter of minutes, the highway is closed.
I don't know about the rest of you guys, but if i'm running down a highway and there's a solid stoppage on either side and I don't know why, it's just an automatic response to slow down in anticipation of whatever stopped that lane. Then, all it takes is some bonehead jumping out in front of my slowed vehicle and another lane is closed.
If a crowd wants to swarm a highway, all it really takes is just one driver to do it. One lane comes to a standstill, the adjacent lanes are slowed by various means, people push past the first lane into the next, and in a matter of minutes, the highway is closed.
I don't know about the rest of you guys, but if i'm running down a highway and there's a solid stoppage on either side and I don't know why, it's just an automatic response to slow down in anticipation of whatever stopped that lane. Then, all it takes is some bonehead jumping out in front of my slowed vehicle and another lane is closed.
btw, just a point to make, when those guys go from protest to riot mode, expect rocks and other projectiles to fly. With a couple of big rocks, a couple broken windshields, you have set the collapse of traffic flow in motion. It's inevitable that at least one person is going to slow or stop out of fear, or for another reason.
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In this case, the guy had a chance to break through without causing serious harm. This video was of I-70 after the shooting of Michael Brown.
The BLM protest in Oakland, CA that shut down I-880 happened very quickly and after the first few cars tried to evade or stopped, everyone behind them was blocked in.
This was the video I was thinking of when I said that road blocks can happen very quickly
I could not fine a good video of when the "protesters" blocked the highway after the shooting of Keith Lamont Scott, but here is the news footage.
"Run them down" is not very well received: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewi...ded-urging-motorists-hit-protesters-charlotte
The BLM protest in Oakland, CA that shut down I-880 happened very quickly and after the first few cars tried to evade or stopped, everyone behind them was blocked in.
This was the video I was thinking of when I said that road blocks can happen very quickly
I could not fine a good video of when the "protesters" blocked the highway after the shooting of Keith Lamont Scott, but here is the news footage.
"Run them down" is not very well received: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewi...ded-urging-motorists-hit-protesters-charlotte
This is becoming more interesting to me as I consider what I carry in my truck and how quickly I could exit with it vs leave it behind. If I am alone (often the case in my truck) a pack suited to running (vs survival vaguely in place) would be well suited. A bottle of water would be appreciated in it as well
Lohmann, what you are wanting is called a "get home bag" and is similar in nature to he " bug out bag." You just keep a duffel in the car, it's different by seasons, changes by situation, but it's one simple thing. A bag full of things that you must have if you are suddenly on foot somewhere. Stuck in snow, trapped on the interstate, broken down at a camp site, whatever.
Partial list? Walking shoes and a set of dry clothes. A quart of fluid. Poncho. A big roll of gauze, in case of injury. A day worth of any medication. Complete, clear list of identification on laminated sheet.
The get home bag for winter supposes that you'd be shut down a few miles from home and have little choice but walk it. Same thing any time of year, anyone can go off track and be caught miles from rescue.
Look at this Facebook page. This woman is amazing.
https://m.facebook.com/SurvivalBett...&source=45&ref=m_notif¬if_t=notify_me_page
Partial list? Walking shoes and a set of dry clothes. A quart of fluid. Poncho. A big roll of gauze, in case of injury. A day worth of any medication. Complete, clear list of identification on laminated sheet.
The get home bag for winter supposes that you'd be shut down a few miles from home and have little choice but walk it. Same thing any time of year, anyone can go off track and be caught miles from rescue.
Look at this Facebook page. This woman is amazing.
https://m.facebook.com/SurvivalBett...&source=45&ref=m_notif¬if_t=notify_me_page
My bug out bags are designed to be able to live without civilization for a week. Not to move quickly over a short time to evade. Basically they have too much in them. I think I need to be considering something much lighter like a distance running pack for this type of situation. Not "end of the world" but "need to create distance quickly"
S 426, the guy on I 70 took a huge risk. I don't know why he thought that it was smart, or what I would have
The one in Oakland was a classic example. Stand by the side and interfere with traffic until a lane stops. It's over. All you have to do is creep over to the other lanes as the obstacles slow down, then shut down each lane, step by step.
What was that, ten lanes that they shut down in just a few minutes? That traffic would have been a solid mass a mile long in a matter of minutes, right? I would have gotten out of my car and backed off. The crowd didn't look violent. The situation seemed safe at the moment. Without an urgent need to run, I would have backed up 100 yards or so, waited until traffic had started moving, and do whatever I needed to do.
The way I feel about traffic anyway, seriously, I am going to have nightmares about that.
The one in Oakland was a classic example. Stand by the side and interfere with traffic until a lane stops. It's over. All you have to do is creep over to the other lanes as the obstacles slow down, then shut down each lane, step by step.
What was that, ten lanes that they shut down in just a few minutes? That traffic would have been a solid mass a mile long in a matter of minutes, right? I would have gotten out of my car and backed off. The crowd didn't look violent. The situation seemed safe at the moment. Without an urgent need to run, I would have backed up 100 yards or so, waited until traffic had started moving, and do whatever I needed to do.
The way I feel about traffic anyway, seriously, I am going to have nightmares about that.
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This thread is actually taking a great turn. Winter is approaching (well, not for me in sunny Florida 
) and having an emergency bag in the car is a great idea. A emergency space blanket (heat reflective), water, battery charger, gloves, medicines, energy bars, flashlights, batteries, etc. is probably a good start. While we tend to be tactically minded on this thread, 
other forms of prep are also important.
) and having an emergency bag in the car is a great idea. A emergency space blanket (heat reflective), water, battery charger, gloves, medicines, energy bars, flashlights, batteries, etc. is probably a good start. While we tend to be tactically minded on this thread, other forms of prep are also important.Now you guys have me giving strong consideration to carrying either an AR 15 (5.56) or a semi auto 12 g shotgun in addition to my sidearm. This is not to derail the thread but keeping in the spirit of our discussion.
So, what do you guys go for, rifle or shotgun? Thoughts?
So, what do you guys go for, rifle or shotgun? Thoughts?
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