Prostitution & Government

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Harley, I am trying to point out the difference between a place that has LEGAL protitution and the currect state where prositituion is illegal.
In one case, we have crack whores walking the streets etc. This is where it is illegal. This is what most people in this country want because they drank the Koolaid that more laws are good. Big Government is good. Having more laws is good. They can't see the forset because of the trees. They won't look beyond their world to a place doing the exact opposite that doesn't have the problems they do. They only want to talk about their world that is being run exactly as they want: government in control.

"To think of how it would be without laws is not something I would care for."
This is exactly what I am talking about. You refuse to simply look at a place where it IS legal to see what it is like. You would rather imagine some worst case senario you dreamed up in your own mind rather than do the easy thing and see what it IS really like.

 

[Wildalaska]

You refuse to simply look at a place where it IS legal to see what it is like.

I dont...where it is legal its heavily regulated. Just like guns

If you beleive in personal freedom and the right to bear arms, how can you want regulations as to what folks do with their bodies?

You may want to carry free and easy in Starbucks...the hell with someone elses feelings....go for it...Mary jane may want to sell some down in front of your house...go for it! Nobody is getting hurt, yah?

WildfreedomriderAlaska

 

[cracked butt]

Why is it illegal? Because lots of politicians think the US Code should read like the Bible.

If it were legal, taxed, and regulated, it would mean that there would now be a paper trail between politicians and their prostitutes. Can't have that.

 

[h8theun]

I should hope not ,Prostitutes are much to noble to be mixed up with politicians.





What would Master Shake do?

 

[Redworm]

I dont...where it is legal its heavily regulated. Just like guns

If you beleive in personal freedom and the right to bear arms, how can you want regulations as to what folks do with their bodies?

You may want to carry free and easy in Starbucks...the hell with someone elses feelings....go for it...Mary jane may want to sell some down in front of your house...go for it! Nobody is getting hurt, yah?

WildfreedomriderAlaska

There shouldn't be regulations on what people can do with their own bodies unless it directly affects other people. A prostitute that knows she has AIDS is willingly endangering others. A brothel that checks its' girls for STDs is conforming to responsible business practices. Not regulating the brothels would be like not having background checks in gun stores.

 

[BerettaCougar]

Not regulating the brothels would be like not having background checks in gun stores.

I am for warrant checks prior to sale of guns (basically a system where the gun retailer can check a nation wide databse for warrants on the patron).

But background checks? your background, unless youre wanted should hold no weight over your ability to own a firearm, if youre not behind bars you should be free....correct?

 

[Redworm]

if youre not behind bars you should be free....correct?

Well, I kinda disagree on that notion. There are many people who commit crimes that should land them behind bars for life yet they're walking the streets after a couple years because the prisons are overcrowded with nonviolent offendors of victimless crimes.

Yeah, we have a great justice system.

There have been a few threads on whether or not freed criminals, even violent ones, should be allowed to own firearms and I don't want to be rude and skew the topic of the thread. Basically my point is that a brothel, like any business, should be held to responsibility standards to keep from spreading diseases. You wouldn't want a meat or pharmaceutical company to operate without regulation, would you?

With all due respect to h8theun I disagree that the best value always wins in business and that they grow via offering better products, services, and lower prices. While many do there are far too many that use immoral and illegal practices to gain an advantage over other companies and wind up not only ruining the good competition but screwing the customer. GM and Microsoft are two very good examples. A free market with no regulation invites abuse like a government with no popular oversight.

 

[Harley Quinn]

I for one am kind of tired of the idea of business's

Regulate themselves.
Sure Enron and many others come to mind.

Some guy get's irritated at another and shoots him and does not kill him, goes to jail for 10 to 15 years.

A Business stock broker or CEO bilks billions of dollars out of a company and cause's thousands of people to have their life savings lost and go to the poor house, commit suicide or live on the street because of the guy who stole the billions.

The guy CEO usually gets a few years in some country club atmosphere location and the other guy ends up bent over...

Not right.:barf:

Prostitution is not good for this country. Just like Gangbangers are not...
Maybe we could start a thread about taxing them and then what they do will be OK LOL...

You got to love Democracy and freedom, but it is the law of the land and it will never change... And in my opinion should not.

The place it will start up big time is in the Casino's owned by the Indian's..LOL Then they not only will take your money but will make sure you get _______ LOLOLOL

Harley

 

[spacemanspiff]

A brothel that checks its' girls for STDs is conforming to responsible business practices. Not regulating the brothels would be like not having background checks in gun stores.

i label it all under 'buyer beware'. no one is forcing these men to engage with these streetwalkers, call girls, escorts, 'models', etc. they do it of their own free will.

if its legalized, it shouldnt be under any gov't control. adults need to be able to make their own choices. if an adult can buy cigarrettes or a rifle, then they should by all means be able to buy some, oh how do they so succintly put it, 'companionship' whenever they want.

if however, the peddling of flesh is so wrong and bad, and a disease to society, then so is tobacco, alcohol and anything else that is fun. are we going to 'regulate' the sex trade just because others dont care about their own safety?

 

[Redworm]

I never called it a disease, I said it should be the brothel's responsibility to avoid spreading actual diseases.

no one is forcing these men to engage with these streetwalkers, call girls, escorts, 'models', etc.

No one is forcing you to buy meat but would you really buy meat from a company that wasn't required to meet quality and health standards? Should all pharmaceuticals be put on the market without regulation?

 

[Wildalaska]

No one is forcing you to buy meat but would you really buy meat from a company that wasn't required to meet quality and health standards? Should all pharmaceuticals be put on the market without regulation?

Should all guns be sold without regulation?

Wildwell?Alaska

 

[spacemanspiff]

okay, good point, but lets roll with it and see where we end up.

the only way that the legalization and regulation of prostitution would work, in this day and age, would be if you could find an insurance company that would cover the liability risks, including Premises/Operations, AND Products.

thats what we have in all other industries that the government regulates. and you can be dang sure i'm going to want to see a copy of that policy along with a current doctors clean bill of health from the lady 'modeling' for me.

edit - take it a step further, along the legal pathways, would a sex offender be prohibited from engaging with legal prostitutes? should there be a background check performed by the brothel on potential clients?

 

[Death from Afar]

As a total aside, the "game" has recently been decriminalised here in new zealand, and I thin most people dont mind. It always happened, so now at least the "working girls" can go to the cops without fear. I actually think it is a good thing.

 

[Harley Quinn]

From a guy who lives where you do

ChristChurch if that is real. Is saying something..LOL

You got to love that from ChristChurch to the Tasmanian Devil. Pretty eclectic.

Harley

 

[Redworm]

Should all guns be sold without regulation?

Wildwell?Alaska

of course not

 

[Wildalaska]

OK then

WildseeAlaska

 

[Redworm]

would be if you could find an insurance company that would cover the liability risks, including Premises/Operations, AND Products.

Considering the insane amounts of money this business could generate were it legal across the country I doubt they'd have trouble finding insurance companies to cover it.

and you can be dang sure i'm going to want to see a copy of that policy along with a current doctors clean bill of health from the lady 'modeling' for me.

Makes sense. Do you think any good business would deny you that? If you go to a firing range and ask them to see a copy of their insurance policy, would they show it to you?

would a sex offender be prohibited from engaging with legal prostitutes? should there be a background check performed by the brothel on potential clients?

Interesting. Normally I would say that a sex offender shouldn't be allowed on the street in the first place but then again there are many, many "sex offenders" that have been wrongly convicted or convicted for things that shouldn't even be crimes.

 

[Redworm]

OK then

WildseeAlaska

that's just my opinion, though. i know some people here believe that anyone should be able to buy any gun whenever they want without any kind of regulation

But I think that's silly.

 

[spacemanspiff]

Considering the insane amounts of money this business could generate were it legal across the country I doubt they'd have trouble finding insurance companies to cover it.

an earlier post stated that the legalization of prostitution would drive the price of sex down. its my belief that the costs to insure would drive the prices up. for example, if you want your kitchen remodeled, are you going to find the guy who can't give you evidence of insurance to do your work? or are you going to get the guy who in insured out the wazoo, and will promptly give you copies of anything contractual you ask for? that contractor will cost you a pretty penny, but you know you'll be getting quality work.

what about the offering of medical insurance to the working girls by the brothels? if you thought the exclusions for existing conditions were a pain in your job, imagine what that would be like!

edit - it would also make the reviewing of workers comp claims much more interesting.

Interesting. Normally I would say that a sex offender shouldn't be allowed on the street in the first place but then again there are many, many "sex offenders" that have been wrongly convicted or convicted for things that shouldn't even be crimes.

but the fact of the matter is that convicted sex offenders are on the streets today, in our neighborhoods. thats not going to change. maybe the courts would revoke a sex offenders right to copulate? like felons are stripped of their RKBA?
heck lets go a little further, we could have exemptions from background checks by obtaining a License to Purchase Pleasure, just like we have from NICS with our ccw.

 

[Wildalaska]

But I think that's silly.

So do most reasonable folks

WildandconstituionaltooAlaska