We have a thread about The War On Drugs how about one on "The War On Consending Adults To Have Sex Any Way They Please".Wether gay or straight or stupid where is the goverment empowered to regulate such things?NOTICE THAT I SAID ADULTS.So what if someone visits a prostitute, or two men get married,I don't think that its the goverments business.I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT A BUSINESS OR PROPERTY OWNER SHOULD HAVE TO RECOGNIZE A MARRIAGE OR ACTIVITY THEY DON'T AGREE WITH.So where should the LAW and personal values begin?
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As George Carlin put it, "why should it be illegal to sell something that's perfectly legal to give away?" It's even seen in nature; chimps, penguins, and other animals have been known to engage in prostitution for food and shelter. Many sex acts that people disagree with and call "unnatural" occur just as often in the rest of the animal kingdom. Dolphins even gang rape! 
Street walking is dangerous for both the girls and the clients. Give them a safe, stable, regulated place to work, make it an actual taxable profession like other nations do and we'd see fewer problems associated with prostitution. But in the end, beyond ensuring the safety of the individuals involved, government should have no business telling people what they can and can't do with their own bodies.
Why is prostitution suddenly legal when there are cameras involved and it becomes porn?
Street walking is dangerous for both the girls and the clients. Give them a safe, stable, regulated place to work, make it an actual taxable profession like other nations do and we'd see fewer problems associated with prostitution. But in the end, beyond ensuring the safety of the individuals involved, government should have no business telling people what they can and can't do with their own bodies.
Why is prostitution suddenly legal when there are cameras involved and it becomes porn?
It isn't in every State or Municipality. It is only after much legal wrangling in LA that they can make porn there. Certainly not true in the '80s. What was made there was underground and if found out by the police, the performers faced arrest.
If a buisness or property owner does not have to recognize a marriage they don't agree with, how about mixed 'race' couples? Should a hospital (a buisness) then be allowed to keep the spouse away from a person so seriously injured that typically only family members are allowed to visit? Some are still uncomfortable with a black+white marriage.
For most buisnesses, a marriage or lack thereof is totally irrelevant.
Marriage however has two components. The religious side for some. People can shop around for a God/church that matches their belief. People tend to bend religion into agreeing with them anyways. On this side, the government should stay out.
The other side is essentially a buisness merger. This is what that government issued piece of paper means. If banks do not recognize this, there can be some problems.
MicroBalrog
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I agree with the previous orator.
Consenting adults have the right to have sex upon their own choice and in private.
Consenting adults have also the right to give each other money.
What exactly is the problem?
Consenting adults have the right to have sex upon their own choice and in private.
Consenting adults have also the right to give each other money.
What exactly is the problem?
The same way it gets the right to tax you and me for what we do for a living. Whether or not we agree with that practice my point is that it should be considered just like any other profession.
As far as regulated I believe it should certainly happen, if not by the government then by some health authority. Someone needs to ensure that brothels demand weekly STD panels on every employee, that condoms are always used, and that the safety of the employees are protected from violence.
I don't mind a free market but in a competely unregulated market there's too much room for abuse. Corruption in business is no more or less likely than corruption in government.
Hugh Damright
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Because a free people have a collective right to form their own society and culture. It reminds me of that show "Survivor" where there was a group of people on an island and one of them decided to start walking around naked. I suppose that in a utopian libertarian society, the many would just have to be uncomfortable and let the one walk around naked ... but in a free State, the people have every right to establish and maintain cultural and societal values, to say "it shall be illegal to go about naked in public places", and this is where their representatives get a right to "tax or regulate such activity".
It's not as if the despotic government is forcing foreign values on us ... well, actually, it is exactly like that ... but I mean in the instance of prostitution, it is not the government making prostitution illegal against the will of the people, but rather it is the people setting cultural and societal standards via their republican system of government.
What I don't understand is how the Constitution can promise each State a republican form of government, resulting in Texans electing representatives who pass a law against homosexual acts, only to have the SCOTUS declare that Texas has no right to pass laws against homosexual acts because that is not the direction in which the global culture is heading. Where does the US get its right to tax or regulate the internal affairs of the States?
The Constitution limits the US to enumerated powers. The States have broad and general powers. It is one thing to ask where Virginia/Virginians get the right to form societal and cultural values in Virginia, but I think it is another matter to ask where the US government gets the right to dictate societal and cultural values in Virginia.
Doesn't the left do precisely the same thing? Legislating that those who are opposed to some behavior or lifestyle tolerate and accept it is intellectually no different than trying to legislate it out of existence. Both actions involve using the law to promote one's sense of morality.
Harley Quinn
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Prostitution is really not the issue
The big picture is what is needed here.
It is really a form of degradation and slavery.
I worked vice for two years back in the 70's, what you see is a ugly under
the table, life style of violence and sickness that is delibating to a useful society.
If they could come up with some form of regulating besides total subjegation maybe it would work, but I don't see that being the way.
The gangs would run rampent even moreso than they are now. Who would protect them (prostitutes)? Average Joe citizen? I don't think so.
Two days ago a young kid 15 walking down the street of a decent town in full view of probably 50 drivers at that time of day was beat to death in front of a church. Someone called 911 but not one person stopped to help.
They are afraid of the gangs and the wild life style that is associated with this mentality.
It is not new by anymeans. Hollywood is really going to screw up this country, why, because they make it look like it is accepted in the normal solid good mores and ethics of a healthy society.
I know off the pulpit.
I am not a Christian rightist, I am an Agnostic who has seen the underbelly of our society and it is not pretty.
Harley
The big picture is what is needed here.
It is really a form of degradation and slavery.
I worked vice for two years back in the 70's, what you see is a ugly under
the table, life style of violence and sickness that is delibating to a useful society.
If they could come up with some form of regulating besides total subjegation maybe it would work, but I don't see that being the way.
The gangs would run rampent even moreso than they are now. Who would protect them (prostitutes)? Average Joe citizen? I don't think so.
Two days ago a young kid 15 walking down the street of a decent town in full view of probably 50 drivers at that time of day was beat to death in front of a church. Someone called 911 but not one person stopped to help.
They are afraid of the gangs and the wild life style that is associated with this mentality.
It is not new by anymeans. Hollywood is really going to screw up this country, why, because they make it look like it is accepted in the normal solid good mores and ethics of a healthy society.
I know off the pulpit.
I am not a Christian rightist, I am an Agnostic who has seen the underbelly of our society and it is not pretty.
Harley
So of course we must make prostitution illegal, at which point this underbelly of society will be forced into the light of day. Oh, wait, it already is illegal, and it hasn't gone away. What was your point again?
Murder and forced prostitution and violent gangs are separate issues. They hurt innocent people, and need to stay criminalized. When someone is victimized, and the perpetrator is identified, society breaks down if the perpetrator remains free to victimize other citizens.
Voluntary prostitution has no uninvolved victims. Whatever the inherent problems in voluntary prostitution, they'd be better dealt with if prostitutes and their clients didn't have to hide in the underbelly of society to avoid prosecution.
In some ways, yes. But not nearly as harshly as the right. For the left to legislate on issues that force others to participate in things they find immoral is one thing but it's a far cry from legislation that protects alternative lifestyles from persecution by the extremist right that I mentioned. To be honest I find nothing wrong with not allowing a bible thumper to tell me what I can't do if it doesn't hurt him but I find everything wrong with that bible thumper telling me that I can't do something that doesn't directly affect him.
Prostitution is but one of those issues.
Harley Quinn
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tyme, I wish there was an easy solution
But I don't think our form of Gov't is going to go for what you are suggesting.
Me, like I say am not a right wing dude. Nor am I a left wing dude.
If it was a not ruled by the lawoftheland, who is going to be the victor of this situation?
The VD rate is high now, Aids is killing Africa and the underbelly of our country is going to be more infected.
So now you want the door opened even further so it can spread?
I wish there was an easy solution, then it would not take up so much of the time of law enforcement. But enforcing law's is their business.
If you can find some one in the Legislature who wants to be the goat and ruin his/her career maybe you can get some action.
Better yet move to France, then when the shtf again USA will have to bail them out, but you could move back and start all over...
Unusual thinking those French.
Harley
But I don't think our form of Gov't is going to go for what you are suggesting.
Me, like I say am not a right wing dude. Nor am I a left wing dude.
If it was a not ruled by the lawoftheland, who is going to be the victor of this situation?
The VD rate is high now, Aids is killing Africa and the underbelly of our country is going to be more infected.
So now you want the door opened even further so it can spread?
I wish there was an easy solution, then it would not take up so much of the time of law enforcement. But enforcing law's is their business.
If you can find some one in the Legislature who wants to be the goat and ruin his/her career maybe you can get some action.
Better yet move to France, then when the shtf again USA will have to bail them out, but you could move back and start all over...
Unusual thinking those French.
Harley
The problem is that people believe what you just said. Thinking that legalizing it will open the door to more disease is completely counterintuitive. Whenever something is outlawed only outlaws have control over it. When it's legal it can be regulated fairly. This applies to prostitution, drugs, guns, alcohol, and every other vice that we enjoy.
Legalizing it will help curb the problem of sexually transmitted diseases, not fuel it.
True. There is virtually NO STDs present in a Nevada Brothel. Can you say the same thing about the dance club, bar, or even the library where you might meet women ? The Nevada woman are tested prior to being able to work. How about that chick you met last weekend at a club ?
Victims ? These women here in Nevada are making six figure incomes.
This is all perfectly legal here, but then Nevada is a pro-freedom state.
My Super Sunday ?
I will go out in the morning to shoot my suppressed submachine gun, stop off at a casino and put a bet in on the Super Bowl. I will then watch the game in the Valley Sports Bar at Sheri's Ranch http://www.sherisranch.net/resort-amenities/sports-bar/. Let the police and government of your state keep telling you that all this stuff is evil and the world will come to an end if they weren't there to protect you from the horrors of gambling, whore houses, and guns. Me ? I am fine right here in beautiful Nevada.
Victims ? These women here in Nevada are making six figure incomes.
This is all perfectly legal here, but then Nevada is a pro-freedom state.
My Super Sunday ?
I will go out in the morning to shoot my suppressed submachine gun, stop off at a casino and put a bet in on the Super Bowl. I will then watch the game in the Valley Sports Bar at Sheri's Ranch http://www.sherisranch.net/resort-amenities/sports-bar/. Let the police and government of your state keep telling you that all this stuff is evil and the world will come to an end if they weren't there to protect you from the horrors of gambling, whore houses, and guns. Me ? I am fine right here in beautiful Nevada.
BerettaCougar
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I agree with you 100%
Here in Tampa, we have escort services, which pretty much is legal prostitution, in the industrialized section of town theres a road that runs about a mile with nothing but escort and private "models" buildings on both sides...
I know a girl that works at one, she went to Highschool with me, these girls bring in several thousand dollars a night, it may not be moral for you, but it's keeping her behind the wheel of a new $100,000.00 german car, keeps her in school, keeps her living in her own house, which for a 22 year old woman is not bad.
Her escort company makes her get tested often, and sex is not part of the contract, her company gets called by a man, they request a certain kind of girl, and they dispatch which ever girl fits the bill to the mans house (usually rich white guys in their 50's and 60's), then the girl models for them men, this girls company charges a minimum of 300 dollars PER HOUR!, which she makes about 70% of that... but once dispatched the model can charge her own price depending on the request of the patron... as long as the company itself makes it hourly part...which is 30% of 300 for each hour she is dispatched, minus travel time...
She told me that right around christmas and new years she racked in about 4 thousand dollars on one group of clients alone!!!
She is also a 2nd amendment advocate (who packs on the job), and my friend, she used to be a roomate of mine, until she got her own place...
So, it IS a high income job, and laws make it a dirty thing... the system with its feel good law, create monsters... and filth you see on the corners.
I agree with you 100%
Here in Tampa, we have escort services, which pretty much is legal prostitution, in the industrialized section of town theres a road that runs about a mile with nothing but escort and private "models" buildings on both sides...
I know a girl that works at one, she went to Highschool with me, these girls bring in several thousand dollars a night, it may not be moral for you, but it's keeping her behind the wheel of a new $100,000.00 german car, keeps her in school, keeps her living in her own house, which for a 22 year old woman is not bad.
Her escort company makes her get tested often, and sex is not part of the contract, her company gets called by a man, they request a certain kind of girl, and they dispatch which ever girl fits the bill to the mans house (usually rich white guys in their 50's and 60's), then the girl models for them men, this girls company charges a minimum of 300 dollars PER HOUR!, which she makes about 70% of that... but once dispatched the model can charge her own price depending on the request of the patron... as long as the company itself makes it hourly part...which is 30% of 300 for each hour she is dispatched, minus travel time...
She told me that right around christmas and new years she racked in about 4 thousand dollars on one group of clients alone!!!
She is also a 2nd amendment advocate (who packs on the job), and my friend, she used to be a roomate of mine, until she got her own place...
So, it IS a high income job, and laws make it a dirty thing... the system with its feel good law, create monsters... and filth you see on the corners.
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