Problem deciding

I have owned .45 caliber 1911s and a few revolvers. The caliber isn't the problem. Like I said, I guess it just sits "funny". Slow, target type shooting shows the gun has accuracy. But any kind of "defensive" type shooting (draw and fire type stuff) and all my shots are left or left and low. Again, I don't have this problem with the p226. Just the p227 for whatever reason. It's a bummer.:(
 
My guess is that a lot of the people having problems getting a SIG 226/227 to shoot "straight" has more to do with being competent with a typical da/sa action than it does with the SIG brand.
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I don't buy that. Every now and then someone will come upon a gun that everyone else raves about that just sucks for that particular person. I have a Glock 17 that I just can't group very well with. Over 20+ years I've listened to lots of advice about "...you're supposed to keep your finger on the trigger and let it reset......don't limp wrist it.....you must be squeezing too hard....."etc, etc. etc, none of which was the least bit helpful. Yet, I can shoot an assortment of Sigs, S&W 2nd gen 9mm's, 1911's, CZ 75B, Witness Stock 10mm, Beretta 92, Colt and S&W revolvers, even the Desert Eagle 44mag and several other comparable sized guns just fine.

Then folks tell me "you just gotta get one of those trigger systems for your glock - that'll do it"; so I listened and can't tell a hill-o-beans difference between my stock trigger and the Ghost trigger I installed. No improvement - the G17 is now just a safe queen. Glock + Me = inconsistent, larger-than-I-want groupings.
 
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My guess is that a lot of the people having problems getting a SIG 226/227 to shoot "straight" has more to do with being competent with a typical da/sa action than it does with the SIG brand.
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As I clearly posted, the problem I am having is all me, not the gun.
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I don't buy that.

The phrase "...a lot of people" wasn't meant to characterize any specific person; it was merely intended to convey the fact that more than a few people seem to experience more difficulty becoming proficient with a da/sa action than they do with sa or dao actions, for the reason cited.
 
Cannot go wrong with a cz75. I had a clone and enjoyed it. I now have a CZ p09 FDE. Totally in love with it. The trigger in sa is a little mushy but that will work out after shooting it a bit more. Great quality and price. Amazing how accurate you can be with one of these in your hands. My friend has a p07 and its just as good, just a little smaller than the 09. Mine happens to be the FDE or flat dark earth model that came with the night sights. $500 out the door. Couldn't help myself haha!
 
If my memory is any good Todd of pistolsmith.com doesn't feel the CZ75 to be very reliable. Said to have seen more than most.
 
Skans, I agree with you on this one too. My version of that was when the Walther PPQ first came out and everyone was blowing it up and saying it's the greatest gun of all time, it had an amazing trigger, etc. I bought it, shot it. It felt like a worked on Glock 19 with a cool grip. Total waste of money and all hype. Gave it to my best friend a while after as it sat it in my safe prior to that just like your Glock 17 did.

Then it happened again, the VP9. Which Military Arms Channel tested. It failed horribly on basic tests that even a Hi-Point could have and has passed.

Then the SIG P320, apparently I'm seeing these things about them getting dead triggers like the early M&P's were getting.

I don't feed into hype and haven't in years. I've mainly stuck to mostly factory SIGs, HKs, and Glocks. Thought right now I only own SIGs.. I have an HK coming to me soon from one of the members here and I doing some selling / trading. Fun times.

Anyways, some just don't do it for people. Glocks have always felt distant for me. I can shoot them and shoot them well. They're great, but I shoot SIG better and prefer it in every other way to any other manufacturer. Could that change in the future? Probably... But it's been almost 7 years now that I've favored SIG. I wish I had stopped and saved money along the way, I'd have a gnarly SIG collection.

So OP... Go slow. Don't rush into things. Try and see if you can test them out. Don't buy into hype. If you hear/read hype, try and see if you can test those out too.



P.S. ::cough:: No CZs ::cough:: terrible ::cough::
 
There is no reason to rush into a sale and seller's remorse is a thing. It's always worth giving a pistol another try. If you do go the CZ route though my experience, and the experience of many on this forum, is that they generally work well (I've had more issues personally with SIGs than CZs). One option might be trying to save up some money for the CZ and if need be selling the P227 later if you think you might be able to work through the issues you're having. I've rebought a lot of pistol models over the years.
 
...Also, don't know which upgrades you speak of. Those are all very similar in function to the P229
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The Sig M11-A1 comes with the Short Reset Trigger and the SIGLITE night-sights. It uses the stainless milled one-piece slide of the P229 compared to the welded sheet metal slide of the P228. The M11-A1 and the P228 are the same height but the M11 A1 is slightly thicker being built off of the P229 frame. My P228 magazines will loosely fit into the M11-A1, but the M11-A1 uses P229-1 magazines. These P229-1 magazines will not fit in my P228.
 
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The Sig M11-A1 comes with the Short Reset Trigger and the SIGLITE night-sights. It uses the stainless milled one-piece slide of the P229 compared to the welded sheet metal slide of the P228. The M11-A1 and the P228 are the same height but the M11 A1 is slightly thicker being built off of the P229 frame. My P228 magazines will loosely fit into the M11-A1, but the M11-A1 uses P229-1 magazines. These P229-1 magazines will not fit in my P228.
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My P229 came with the SRT and SIGLITE night sights as well. Also has the stainless milled one piece slide. I remember having a carbon steel folded slide. Not my favorite either, but it was lighter.

I have a 15 round P228 magazine in my P229.
I don't see much different between the two to be honest. Certainly not upgrades that only the M11 has. I know the MK25 and M11 do have the phosphate coated internals if I'm not mistaken. The M11 doesn't have a rail either. Which I could do with or without as a back up gun. I carried the P226 for years until I purchased a P229. I don't really carry anything smaller than a P229 or Glock 19. I have really large lands. Just better for me.

We should have a picture thread soon.
 
Just as an update, I found a good deal on a new full size S&W M&P 9mm. Ordered it today. Will see how it goes.:D
 
I own a Beretta 92FS. I have never fired a CZ75 but have fondled a few and I agree they feel great in the hand.

My Beretta has been absolutely reliable, digests anything so long as it says 9mm Para on the case, and is quite accurate. The biggest drawbacks to the 92FS that I see are that the grip is fat and the reach to the double action trigger is a bit too much for some folks. The second gripe is the lack of a dove tailed front sight. If you have shot and liked the M9, then the grip thickness should not be an issue. You can also install a Wilson Combat short reach trigger and a pair of thin VZ G10 grips.

As for the slide-mounted safety-decocker gripe, I have never accidentally put my 92FS on safe. The prominent "bat ears" of the safety/decocker lever can make it more difficult to cycle the slide from the rear, however. If you are concerned about the safety issue there are a couple of solutions. You can buy a 92G model where the lever functions as a live hammer decocker only. If you are a right-handed shooter you can fairly easily install a Wilson Combat low profile lever. The lever still functions as a safety/decocker but the ear on the left is trimmed down and smoothed to the point that it is virtually impossible to accidentally put the gun on safe. The right hand lever is removed altogether.

If I was to swap my Beretta 92FS for another DA/SA all-metal autoloader it would be a CZ75. Unless money was no object, in which case it would be a Wilson Combat Beretta Brigadier 92G.
 
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