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If I didn't already have a lot more 9mm guns than 45acp's, I would have bought a CZ75 B instead of the Sig 320 I purchased. I was looking at one at the LGS exactly like the one shown in post 18 above. I had a hard time putting it down. It's a DA/SA, though, so I may have to rent one before I buy one.
 
Personally, I can't see discarding a Sig P227 for a Beretta 92 or even a nice CZ 75B. If I had to choose between these two, however, it would be the CZ 75B hands down. There's noting I like about the Beretta. Having had a problematic Taurus PT99 (yes, not a Beretta, I know), I came to hate 92 design for many reasons.
 
Personally, I can't see discarding a Sig P227 for a Beretta 92 or even a nice CZ 75B.
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I know... I know... It's weird to see. :D

Well, just so you don't make the same mistake...Try out both of the guns you have in mind OP. Because they're differences in all the ones you mentioned. For a small comparison to put into perspective for you.

Tap, rack, bang.

SIG - Tap, rack, bang...

CZ - Tap, slip, slip, slip, rack, bang. (being nice about the "bang" part.)

Beretta 92 - Tap, rack, click, click, *swipes off safety lever* bang.


The CZ's slide sits inside the frame. The slide is a bitch to grab with sweaty hands, rainy, God forbid bloody, etc. Even when it's dry and under stress.

The Beretta 92, the slide lever is on the slide. So when you rack the slide hard as you should you have a high chance of engaging the safety.


Ask anyone who actually trains with these pistols and they'll confirm all of what I just said. If they deny it, they don't train. I'm sorry.

Now, if you want them for the range... Go for it man. You have the luxury there to stop, inspect, and do the whole range dance around the gun and see why it jammed.

SIG, Glock, M&P, or HK is the way to go.


My $0.02 which you didn't even pay for. It was free.
 
The CZ's slide sits inside the frame. The slide is a bitch to grab with sweaty hands, rainy, God forbid bloody, etc. Even when it's dry and under stress.

The Beretta 92, the slide lever is on the slide. So when you rack the slide hard as you should you have a high chance of engaging the safety.


Ask anyone who actually trains with these pistols and they'll confirm all of what I just said. If they deny it, they don't train. I'm sorry.
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What courses did you run a CZ and Beretta 92 in that you had these problems?
 
Like a few of the previous posters said, unless it's a Wilson Beretta 92G Brigadier Tactical that you are considering, I'd go with a CZ 75 variant. I don't understand why you'd want to trade a P227 either, but it's really your call to make!
 
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Your argument is literally going nowhere. Move on.
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I'm clarifying your experience with the pistols so the OP knows where you're coming from. Why does it matter? Because firsthand experience is generally worth more and in courses I've taken I've seen users induce errors from a lack of experience of running the pistol hard. In classes I have seen issues with the following SIGs: P938, P290RS, SIG P320, SIG 716, and a SIG P229 (that one I believe was user induced; it was a failure to extract but on someone that was limp-wristing the heck out of the pistol).
 
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Only SIGs I swear by are the P226 and P229. :) Same with HKs, only USPs. Glocks, 9mm size 26 and up. etc.

I've taken I've seen users induce errors from a lack of experience of running the pistol hard.
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By your logic though, that doesn't matter. Because it wasn't first hand experience through you.. Right? See how flawed that is? lol....

Anyways, I've seen XDs and CZs crap the bed more than any other manufacturer. Right next to me, the same as you. So again, by your logic... That's good enough. Thank you!
 
Only SIGs I swear by are the P226 and P229.
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I would agree that the classics are typically great pistols, though you didn't clarify that you meant those only earlier in the thread. Whether you or I like it nor, SIG has a lot of pistols these days with various reputations.

By your logic though, that doesn't matter. Because it wasn't first hand experience through you.. Right? See how flawed that is? lol....
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I didn't say it didn't matter, what I said was firsthand experience is not the same as seeing someone else have problems. Hence the clarification.

Anyways, I've seen XDs and CZs crap the bed more than any other manufacturer. Right next to me, the same as you. So again, by your logic... That's good enough. Thank you!
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Not sure where you're getting "good enough" out of anything. I said I have seen SIGs fail (the only one that has failed on me personally is a SIG P320, and I've never had a CZ fail on me personally). It's not a competition. :confused: My point is to let the OP know how we've seen the pistols fail and let him judge for himself/herself. Me asking what courses and if you were using those pistols personally is aimed at that goal (the more information the better). It's an inanimate object, not you. Don't take it so personally.
 
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No one is taking anything personally. You said that first, are you taking it personally? lol.. Welcome to "The Forum" Are you not entertained?! :eek:

OP. Check out www.grayguns.com for your MK25. :) (Side note.)

Also, just sell the P227 and see about trying out the pistols you feel like trying out before you buy them. As I said, don't make the same mistake again.
 
Only SIGs I swear by are the P226 and P229. Same with HKs, only USPs.
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No problem here. "IMHO" I'd add my P225, P228, and my M11-A1, which has the good upgrades to a 9mm P229. My HK P30 9mm follows me where I go. My HK45 made my USP40 redundant, although I kind of wish I still had that one.
 
No problem here. "IMHO" I'd add my P225, P228, and my M11-A1, which has the good upgrades to a 9mm P229. My HK P30 9mm follows me where I go. My HK45 made my USP40 redundant, although I kind of wish I still had that one.
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Nice! I love the P225, P228, and M-11 which basically is a P228. I've just never seen them in a class or ran them myself before. So I didn't mention them. I've seen mainly Glocks and M&Ps in my area. The CZs and XDs I've seen do this magical trick where they don't make it through the class.

I'm also an HK lover.

Also, don't know which upgrades you speak of. Those are all very similar in function to the P229.
 
My guess is that a lot of the people having problems getting a SIG 226/227 to shoot "straight" has more to do with being competent with a typical da/sa action than it does with the SIG brand. A traditional da platform does require more time and practice for some shooters to do well with as compared to sa or dao actions not requiring a transition between two different trigger pulls. Just my guess.
 
Over the past 10 yrs I have owned 5 CZ 75'S & 4 Beretta 92FS's. Two of the CZ's & two of the Beretta's had over 10,000 rds through them. All the other CZ's & Beretta's have well over 2000 rds fired. I have never had any failure of any kind on any of these handguns. I own other models of both Cz & Beretta, ( px4, couger , p07 duty). I have never ever experienced any failure of any kind with either brand.
 
My guess is that a lot of the people having problems getting a SIG 226/227 to shoot "straight" has more to do with being competent with a typical da/sa action than it does with the SIG brand.
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As I clearly posted, the problem I am having is all me, not the gun. I have a p226 that I can shoot just fine. I also owned an M9 Beretta that I also had no problem shooting. It appears that the p227 sits in my hand "funny".
 
As I clearly posted, the problem I am having is all me, not the gun. I have a p226 that I can shoot just fine. I also owned an M9 Beretta that I also had no problem shooting. It appears that the p227 sits in my hand "funny".
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Not all guns work well for all people. Have you owned other 45s that didn't have this problem? I only ask because that's one obvious difference with the pistols you mentioned.
 
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