I have a problem. I am selling my Sig p227, and I am torn between a replacing it with a Beretta 92 of some kind or something like a one model or another of the CZ 75. I use to own a Beretta M9 that I stupidly let go. I liked it very much. I recently held a CZ 75 Omega for the first time and I really liked the way it felt in my hand. It reminded me of a couple Hi Powers I used to own. Felt great. I'm really on the fence about this. Are the CZ guns built to the same quality as the Beretta 92s are? I would like to hear from CZ owners that have put some hard use on their guns as to durability and reliability. My intention for whatever I get would be as a occasional carry piece. Thanks in advance.
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I agree with TunnelRat on the Beretta. I have several in different models and they all have served me well. I have no experience with the CZ but have heard and read good things about them.
Therefore, you should buy both. If you can only buy one at this time then toss a coin as to which one you will buy first. I think my suggestion will make your decision making process much easier, and you can sleep better tonight.
Therefore, you should buy both. If you can only buy one at this time then toss a coin as to which one you will buy first. I think my suggestion will make your decision making process much easier, and you can sleep better tonight.
Like I said, I use to have a Beretta and it was great. The only thing "bad" I have heard about CZs (true or not) had to do with long term durability of the lips on the magazines. I mean a few thousand rounds later. Even then, Mec-gar is said to make great mags for the CZ, so that isn't even a problem. I will likely end up with both, it's just that I don't know weather to get something I know about and like very much, or get something new that I have never owned yet. Other than the p227 I intend to sell, I own a p226 MK 25, a Glock 17 and a Glock 26, so it isn't that I have nothing to carry in the mean time.
Limnophile
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An advantage of the CZ is you have several compact options and a subcompact (2075 RAMI). Seems like you are flush with full-size sidearms. Beretta has made compact 92s in the past, but not recently that I'm aware of. Both brands are well supported in terms of parts upgrade options. One drawback of the Beretta is that changing the front sight requires major surgery.
I am not aware of any problem with stock CZ mags.
I don't think you can make a bad choice between the two.
I am not aware of any problem with stock CZ mags.
I don't think you can make a bad choice between the two.
Can't give you a lot of direct feedback but maybe hopefully something useful...
I think this is more of a personal choice of what works for you than it is which is "better".
I'm not a big Beretta 92 fan but they have served many very well.
I shoot with a bunch of CZ fanatics and have spent a little time with them. If I were to choose I'd pick a CZ. They are as good to go as anything is.
You mentioned Hi Powers... if you liked the Hi Power there is a good chance you will feel very comfortable with a CZ75/85.
I think this is more of a personal choice of what works for you than it is which is "better".
I'm not a big Beretta 92 fan but they have served many very well.
I shoot with a bunch of CZ fanatics and have spent a little time with them. If I were to choose I'd pick a CZ. They are as good to go as anything is.
You mentioned Hi Powers... if you liked the Hi Power there is a good chance you will feel very comfortable with a CZ75/85.
). It's sort of my grail gun currently. Other than that I'd but a CZZ, drop in a few Cajun Gun Work parts, and go from there.I have the CZ-75BD and a PT-92 which is the Taurus labeled Beretta M9. (Please save the Taurus bashing for another thread). Both guns will blast round after round at the range. These are big guns for carrying with a slight edge to the CZ-75 for OAL and a slight edge to the PT-92 for its alloy frame. I don't carry either my CZ-75 nor the PT-92 but I do carry a CZ clone as my primary carry gun.
My clone CZ is a TriStar C100 in 9mm. I also have the C100 in 380 Auto and will get a C100 in 40 S&W as my next purchase. This gun based on the CZ design and like the CZ-75, will blast round after round.
The CZ-75 is the most used 9mm world-wide by police and military with more than 1.5 million produced. Interpret that as you wish.
I mention the TriStar C100 clone (there are other CZ clones out there) because it gives you a third possibility, the CZ-75, M9 or a CZ clone that doubles as a range gun and for occasional or EDC.
For metal guns I own a Beretta 92FS, a Sig p226, and a CZ75B. Of these the CZ is my favorite to take to the range. The CZ just feels right in the hand, and I can definitely shoot it more accurately than the other two.
The Beretta 92 series feels very large in my hand, because the standard hand grips are just big. I replaced the stock grips with the Hogue rubber grips and this improved the feel for me. The Beretta is a very soft shooting gun, and it is fun to shoot, but if it is between the Beretta and a CZ, I'd recommend getting the CZ 1st. I like the CZ75B or the BD models.
The Beretta 92 series feels very large in my hand, because the standard hand grips are just big. I replaced the stock grips with the Hogue rubber grips and this improved the feel for me. The Beretta is a very soft shooting gun, and it is fun to shoot, but if it is between the Beretta and a CZ, I'd recommend getting the CZ 1st. I like the CZ75B or the BD models.
rt11002003
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Like TunnelRat, I had the Wilson Beretta 92G on my list. I now own one; bought it for my 78th birthday (Dec.13). It came off FB, seller claims it had more Wilson work than their usual model and was part of a contract for a LE unit. I believe it; the trigger has a long, long travel, a light DA and a great SA. Super accurate: shooting one handed from rest produced a ten round group that fell into a one inch circle.
However, I have both a CZ75 TS and a CZ75 SP-01 Shadow Target ll, both of which will duplicate that shooting.
The Shadow fits my hands best, then the TS, followed by the Beretta.
I'd hate to have to choose just one.
However, I have both a CZ75 TS and a CZ75 SP-01 Shadow Target ll, both of which will duplicate that shooting.
The Shadow fits my hands best, then the TS, followed by the Beretta.
I'd hate to have to choose just one.
Strictly personal preference (or prejudice if you wish), but steel trumps aluminum every time.
Both are excellent guns, but I prefer the ergonomics and especially the feel of the CZ grip over a Beretta. In fact, at this time, I am getting ready to dump my Berettas as I no longer shoot them.
As always, YMMV.
Both are excellent guns, but I prefer the ergonomics and especially the feel of the CZ grip over a Beretta. In fact, at this time, I am getting ready to dump my Berettas as I no longer shoot them.
As always, YMMV.
Tactical Jackalope
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Oh man. You cut me to the bone.
A SIG for a CZ? That's something I'd never do in my darkest and worst days.
I'm not a CZ fan by any means, actually quite the opposite.
Now, SIG Sauer.. That's my home base. I've only torture tested a few guns in my life. 2 of which being my current P226 and my P229. The P226 has been with me since 2010. The P226 has had close to 10k through it. 2,000 of those rounds were torture tested. South Florida swampy mud, water, some grass got in there along with some dirt. 1,000 rounds that day with harsh conditions. Another time, I had a mag loader with me (old coworker) and we did 1,000 rounds straight as well. Only thing that happened that time was the frame got a little...spicy.
The P229 had the a mini version of the two aforementioned tests. No videos and limited pictures. We did this for ourselves and we did this often with our personal guns. I guess to prove to ourselves and each other that it could handle it.
So my question now, why are you getting rid of the P227?
Sorry had to either hit "send" or click the X on the top right.
Anyways, my first piece of advice to you is to keep the SIG! But if you already went through it in your head. Go with the Beretta. Even though I'm not a fan of the 92 either. I'd prefer it to any CZ.
A SIG for a CZ? That's something I'd never do in my darkest and worst days.
I'm not a CZ fan by any means, actually quite the opposite.
Now, SIG Sauer.. That's my home base. I've only torture tested a few guns in my life. 2 of which being my current P226 and my P229. The P226 has been with me since 2010. The P226 has had close to 10k through it. 2,000 of those rounds were torture tested. South Florida swampy mud, water, some grass got in there along with some dirt. 1,000 rounds that day with harsh conditions. Another time, I had a mag loader with me (old coworker) and we did 1,000 rounds straight as well. Only thing that happened that time was the frame got a little...spicy.
The P229 had the a mini version of the two aforementioned tests. No videos and limited pictures. We did this for ourselves and we did this often with our personal guns. I guess to prove to ourselves and each other that it could handle it.
So my question now, why are you getting rid of the P227?
Sorry had to either hit "send" or click the X on the top right.
Anyways, my first piece of advice to you is to keep the SIG! But if you already went through it in your head. Go with the Beretta. Even though I'm not a fan of the 92 either. I'd prefer it to any CZ.
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Honestly, because it's difficult for me to shoot well. I do not have this problem with my MK25. That thing shoots like a laser. But the p227 wants to shoot left and low. It isn't the sights. With slow, deliberate shooting it shoots pretty well. Anything faster (I'm not talking about emptying it as fast as I can either) and the rounds are hitting 4-5 inches to the left and 2-4 inches low. It has to be the way it sits in my hands. It feels like my p226, but it doesn't shoot like it. It was also kind of an impulse buy. I had been toying with the idea of getting a new .45, but was more interested in another 9mm. I like them. Was browsing a local gun shop to see what I could find. There in the case was the p227. After holding it, I brought it home. I'm not knocking the gun. The problem I'm having with it is all me. I've owned 45s, 44, 38s, 357s and 9mms. This is the first gun I had a problem shooting.
Roland Thunder
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I feel your pain. I just sold my 226 for the same reason. I had a hard time parting with it because, well, it's a Sig 226, a classic pistol. In the end, it came down to I just couldn't shoot it well. I think it was because I couldn't adjust to the DA/SA technology. I don't have that problem with DAO guns like the M&P 45 or Glock 21. I ended up getting a Sig 320 45acp, I have yet to shoot it.
The LGS I bought my 320 at had a CZ 75B that I fondled. I loved the feel of that gun in my hand. I may end up getting one.
My choice for you would be the CZ75
I own a CZ 75B, my brother owns the polymer CZ Phantom and a friend of mine owns a CZ 75B both my friend and brother bought their CZ's after firing mine.
I have about 2,500 rounds through it so far and it has been flawless. The fit and finish is great IMO. I have yet to fire a handgun I can shoot as accurately as my CZ.
You really can't go wrong if it fits your hand.
I have about 2,500 rounds through it so far and it has been flawless. The fit and finish is great IMO. I have yet to fire a handgun I can shoot as accurately as my CZ.
You really can't go wrong if it fits your hand.
Man, I'm glad somebody else said this. These words could have come right out of my mouth. I've got a Sig p226, and it was expensive, and its got it a stellar reputation, and its supposed to be great...................and I can't shoot it worth #@$%!. I haven't sold mine yet because, well its a Sig, but it is my least favorite gun to take to the range. In my hands my cheap CZ 999, which was 1/3 the price of the Sig is much more accurate and fun to shoot.
I personally shoot Sigs the best in regards to DA/SA, but do have hit/miss (pun intended) days with DA. Last trip after picking up my HK, the first shot was about 4 inches from where I aimed... After a magazine of DA only I was hitting close to center every time. My P239 is such an easy gun to shoot though.
I would like to get a CZ-75B in the next year, but it would probably be a range toy. It fits my hand better than any full size metal frame I've shot, and was a lot of fun at the range. I didn't really care for the Beretta, it was just lacking for me compared to a P226/P228 and the CZ. But both are good choices for a duty size 9mm.
I would like to get a CZ-75B in the next year, but it would probably be a range toy. It fits my hand better than any full size metal frame I've shot, and was a lot of fun at the range. I didn't really care for the Beretta, it was just lacking for me compared to a P226/P228 and the CZ. But both are good choices for a duty size 9mm.