Preliminary Opinion Poll on Presidential Race

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WildgimmesomeonewhocanwinandwontscrewthingsuptoomuchAlaska

That's not good enough. We need someone who will actively undo the damage to RKBA. Otherwise, as soon as an Obama is elected the screws will get tightened that much more, and we will slowly ratchet toward a complete ban.

I voted Ron Paul, but I also think Fred Thompson would be a much better choice than we usually get.

Be active in the primaries.

 

[38splfan]

Ron Paul

I clicked Ron Paul, but only because Fred Thompson seems to still be straddling the fence on how actively he wants to run and what issues he wants to front.

If Fred runs for real, he'll get me. If not, Ron Paul looks like a winner on most of the issues I'm concerned about. No candidate is a winner on all though.

I hope Thompson runs. I've met him. I've put my vote in for him for Congress twice. He seems pretty square on most things. Again not all, but no one is.

 

[publius42]

no Mike Gravel option

On the contrary, there are two. He falls under both "Some Democrat" and "NOTA" (None of the Above).

 

[Al Norris]

The political landscape has changed. It changed on Tuesday, May 8th, when the Full Circuit Court for the District of Columbia declined to rehear Parker v. D.C.

Now, unless the Supreme Court hears and overturns the Parker decision (something I'm almost positive it won't do), the case stands as precedent in the D.C. Circuit. What some of you don't understand, is that as precedent, this decision impacts all federal laws dealing with firearms. All.

One of the reasons that the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals has been called the "Second Highest Court in the Land," is that any decision there can be used in litigation filed in D.C. as binding precedent. Decisions upheld by the D.C. Circuit can affect all Federal Law. It's unique among all the other Circuit Courts.

You want to challenge the NFA taxation scheme? D.C. is now the place to file and argue your case. There is also the conflict between the NFA registry itself and 922(o). The Lautenberg Amendment? At risk.

Further, the entire Congress is now on notice that any legislation they may enact, as regards firearms, may now be lawfully challenged as to it's constitutionality... As long as the challenge is filed in the D.C. district courts.

The same goes for any regulations any Federal organization may have already enacted or may wish to enact. All can now be legally challenged directly upon 2A grounds. Something that was extremely hard to do before this decision.

Some challenges will be upheld, some (perhaps many) won't.

This single case will have far reaching consequences over time. Everyone in the Congress, the Executive branch and all perspective Presidential candidates are on notice.

We have about another 60 days, to see what the City of D.C. is going to do. Getting all fired up over what a Democratic President with a Democratic Congress might do, is rather premature.

As of this moment, the Second Amendment has been declared as a primary right, protected by the Constitution.

The landscape has changed. Time to change your thinking and strategy.

 

[GoSlash27]

The landscape has changed. Time to change your thinking and strategy.

Hear, hear. Reminds me of a line from one of my favorite books (paraphrasing): The dance has spun into a new form. I wonder how many will be unable to keep up...

 

[WESHOOT2]

the pendulum swings....

Mmmm...I voted for who I think might actually win.
I wish voters who are interested in the right of gun ownership would consider same, although I've voted for Pat Paulsen a few times.

Sadly, our choices will be limited (of those who CAN win) to two.
I suspect a person with non-white skin is still unelectable at the Presidential level regardless of personal politics (I am not editorializing; I am stating a political opinion), and I'm hoping that a Democratic female has the same chance (this is an opinion based on fear-of-Hilary).

The current most-electable Republican is Mitt Romney, and perhaps the only one that Beltway pundits (ever notice how most of them lean left when seated?) can embrace.

To vote for one's favorite whack-job-of-the-moment is how we got Bill......twice.....

Oh I been (so) wrong before; I voted for McGovern. And HHH....

 

[Wildalaska]

The landscape has changed. Time to change your thinking and strategy.

Really? Instead of spouting meaningless stats and screeching on message Boards we can really DO something? Like go to Court in our local district and attack the NFA or the GCA or something.

OK...Al is nice, Im not. Read his thread and read it again. Truth is therein spoken. If you are coming here and screeching and whining about gun laws and quoting the constitution AND cases without doing something about it you must be just blowing smoke up our butts about your level of erudition.

Becasue ANY jamoke in this wonderful country can walk into Federal Court and start a lawsuit on his own! Yeppers, in pro per. And if ya need procedural guidance, their is a wealth of info out there. There are 3000 plus members and lawyers and scholars here....hell Id much rather read threads that say: "The State is seeking dismissal of my Lawsuit under Rule 303, How Should I respond" than such gems as "Hide your Guns, Hillary is coming" or "New Study Shows that Guns Cure cancer" or my personal fav "Look What this Silly Blissninny Sheeple Said When She saw me in the Mini Mart with Open Carried Desert Eagle".

So find your bete noir and file a lawsuit. Remember to choose wisely Indiana. Not every pinprick is actionable, de minimus non jurat lex. And when you survive accelerated judgement, send the paperwork over to the NRA and GOA and see if they are willing to help you out with some gratis shysterism. Bet they would. Bet a good suit in a good district would drag out the big guns

And why isnt yours truly doing something? Yours truly lives in Alaska, yours truly is not inconvienced by anything out there at this point....actually we arent talking about discomfort or inconvenience, it really should read CONSTITUIONALLY AGGRIEVED...keeep those words in mind folks, yep Im not aggrieved.....

And you dont see me coming here sniveling about the laws

So I start a thread for you, yes. And y'all start saying thank you to Al. I'll take PMs on FRCP questions any time.

WildmakethemslowwheelsspinAlaska

 

[DonR101395]

Wake up on the wrong side of the ice slab today WA?
How about before we start marching on D.C. we see what the SCOTUS is going to do first?
If we don't like the outcome,then we can have the million machinegunners march

 

[Wildalaska]

Wake up on the wrong side of the ice slab today WA?

Its Sunday. 7 am. Hnagover. SWMBO woke me up at 5am by chattering in Japanese with her sister...now shes asleep and Im pacing around.

Im hostile today. Im going to shoot nagant revolvers and yell things like "take that you royalist running dog", then Im gonna pop off a webley while yelling "FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR' like Michael caine in Zulu (you know I look like him)

WildiminthemoodforalawsuittodayAlaska

 

[GoSlash27]

WA,
One might also make it a regular habit to wade into enemy territory on the subject and convert fence-sitters (as I do).
I personally find little value in mass syncopant-sessions, which is why I'm so highly regarded around these parts...and those parts too

 

[WESHOOT2]

when I woke today (at 04:42)

I thought it was Monday; am I electable?

I sit in Vermont, which is north of Alaska.

Affect? Effect? Infect?

FWIW, I had no probs with Bill gettin' some strange, but I had HUGE problems with him doing it when he was supposed to be working.
On my dime (eight hundred trillion of them).
Couldn't he have waited until break?

In my opinion it will be AlGore vs MittRomney.
Mebbe.
That's my opinion.

My wish?
Why, me, of course (except I'd have to pick a party; I pick pool).

 

[targetshootr]

I don't see how it matters who's next. The bar is so low now that anyone will be a vast improvement. But they won't be able do the one thing we need most: take a torch to the revolving door between congress and lobbyists. We no longer have representatives, only a mish-mash of bribe takers. It'll always be legal though since they get to make the rules they work under, one clause we really blew.

 

[WESHOOT2]

Fallacy / History 101 (and I don't drink, so it don't matter how high the bar is)

One needs only look back to see "...how it matters..."

If one is unable to understand that concept perhaps looking back to the '94 Crime Bill (oh whatajoke) will help.
"Anyone" may NOT be a "vast improvement", as some can (and would be) horrifyingly worse.
Don't think so?
Need more studying of history.

Don't like the picks?
No change there. That's the way it's ALWAYS been.

Not all politicians are 'bad'; some are honorable men and women.
But all are human.....

Lobbyists represent someone, ay?

Oh the pendulum swings......but is it getting stuck at stupid-o'clock?

Your results may vary.

 

[targetshootr]

Lobbyists do represent someone, people with the most money. Which are always industries of some sort. The Medicare bill which was a give-away to pharmecutical companies is a good example. For all the complaining people do about entitlements, we never hear much about corporate welfare and it costs us big money which doesn't represent a return on our investment.

And yeah, anyone will do better than our current president unless they make a conscious effort to become the new 'worst president ever'.

 

[Manedwolf]

The current most-electable Republican is Mitt Romney, and perhaps the only one that Beltway pundits (ever notice how most of them lean left when seated?) can embrace.

Then you better start stocking up on large sealable PVC tubes and blocks of cosmoline and make sure you have a shovel. Because he'd do in Washington what he did in Massachusetts.

I can't fathom how ANYONE can think Romney is anything but a complete, sleazy phony.

 

[publius42]

I can't fathom how ANYONE can think Romney is anything but a complete, sleazy phony.

Can't argue with that. Here are his credentials as he explains them to gun owners, along with more complete explanations.

NRA life member (uh, for almost a year now)
Lifelong hunter (uh, hunted once as a teen and once at a recent fundraiser, so those events more or less span his life)
Gun Owner (uh, in the sense that he stands to inherit his son's gun if his son should die, I guess)

 

[Redworm]

The worst thing about Romney to me is not his stance on guns but his connection with Regent's and Pat Robertson.

 

[Al Norris]

While I don't want to take this thread off topic, I have to ask...

Lobbyists do represent someone, people with the most money. Which are always industries of some sort.

The NRA? The NEA? the ACLU? The AARP?

These are all very powerfull lobbies. What "industries" do they represent?

 

[Redworm]

sporting goods stores, the makers of #2 pencils, head shops and restaurants that have $4.99 early bird specials

 

[Scott Conklin]

Hmm, well, the NEA represents big government schools and the tax dollars they thrive on, not to mention so many tenured hacks it's depressing. The ACLU represents attorneys and certain agenda groups in pursuit of A) However much money they can screw the taxpayer out of via milking the government and B) Directing societal re-engineering the way they want it to go. Lastly, the AARP is the militant arm of big pharma and big insurance, with an anti-gun, pro-tax, cradle-to-grave agenda of its own to boot.

The only actual lobbying groups of any size or import who represent anything other than big business, special interest minorities and/or big lawyers would be the NRA and NFIB. That's two out of how many hundreds?