Prank on gun snob

To knock it back in line with the OP, omce upon a time in my younger days, after reading of a similar prank in a WEB Griffin novel, I had a buddy of mine slip several cheap steal ash trays that I had aquired from Scout Camp and painted orange in as another buddy, Kevin, and I busted clays in the back yard.

A word about Kevin, at age 12 he already one of those NRA 100 straight busted patches. He was "that guy" on the 4-H Shotgun Team and much pleasure was derived by watching him "miss".
 
Buy what gun or guns you want if you can. If you can't then save up for it. Just don't hate on others for what they buy. There are choices and thank God for that. I will have a chocolate milkshake and u have what u want. Who cares?
 
I have related this story before but will tell it again.

My wife owns an FIE TZ75. When my department made me hang up my 1911 and go to a 9mm, I took it to the range qualification.

Other officers, including the Arkansas State Law Enforcement Departmental Championship Team, looked at the pistol and snickered. They snickered until I shot the X-ring out of my target, scored 100% and took first place in the competition which was included in the days activities.

It is not the price of the weapon or Logo on the frame that counts. It is the ability of the shooter to use the weapon which fits his need and hits the target.
 
Can I be a milsurp snob? :-) My Dad is a good shot with a rifle, and has a soft spot for Mosin Nagants. While he has several, he's got one really straight shooter that he uses to embarass the mall ninjas at the range. With open sights, cheap commie rifle and cheap surplus corrosive ammo, he outshoots gentlemen with $1000 scoped modern bolt guns. It really is about the shooter more than the gun after a certain point.
 
I'm reminded of a horrendous movie, Iron Eagle III, in which WWII warbird pilots square off against a drug ring, armed with MiGs!

The English chap, a veteran of the Battle of Britain, who of course drives a Spitfire, remarks incessantly throughout the movie:
"It's the man; not the machine."

The old boy had a point. (last English pun, I promise.)

Any one who can out shoot me with a Hi-Point, I say more power to them. I'll buy you an adult beverage of your choice.

Any one who has to carry a Hi-Point for self defense because that is all they can afford, I will not begrudge them that at all.

Hell, Pops would frequently upstage all of us on the 4-H Shotgun team, some of us who were armed with Benelli's, Beretta's, etc. etc. with his Ithaca Featherweight.
 
This is a such wimpy snob thread, we should do Scotch, bet there are some that drink Clan MacGregor over a finely crafted 18 year old Glenfiddich too:p

Geez when I was a kid we would debate the greatness of such beers as Lone Star, Iron City and my personal all time famous horsepee in a can when warm....

Black Label. let us all vomit in homage to such a product:barf::D



WildthoughnowthatipeelikeahumanbeingandnolongerhavenarcoticscoursingthroughmyveinsihaverenewedmyloveaffairwithpernodvieuxpontarlierabsintheAlaska ™©2002-2011
 
Buying a brand new Dan Wesson Valor does not make a person a gun snob. Swearing that no gun under an arbitrary price point is worth owning makes you a snob.

I pulled out my Taurus 85 at the range and a guy asked me, "are you serious?" He started in on the old saw about "you must not think your life is worth much."

I then proceeded to put 5 shots in the red on a B-34 target at 7 yards. I did it again with 5 more +p rated rounds. Then I asked him if he thought that would be enough to stop an attacker.

It isn't about "Wealth envy." It is about wanting people to understand that not everybody feels the need to buy a $800 gun. That doesn't make us any less capable. It doesn't make us idiots. It makes us people with different priorities or opportunities.
 
Swearing that no gun under an arbitrary price point is worth owning makes you a snob.

I can think of several guns that are the equivalent of Black Label and its got nothing to do with prce. I'll have a Trappist Ale myself.

Put another way, the dude with $250 in his pocket for ONE and only one pistola is better off with a used Model 10 than any South American special, US knock off or all the rest of the Big Box junk.


WildenoughtalkofboozeigottheburpsAlaska ™©2002-2011
 
Wild I agree when it comes to certain companies. I would never recomend somebody drop any amount of money on a Jiminez or an IO Hellcat. However, with $250 I would recomend a decent surplus CZ-82 with an extra mag and holster.

I have yet to find these magical $250 dollar used S&Ws people keep telling me about. The cheapest model 10 I found was a 10-8 being sold online. After the $14 shipping charge, the $2 adult signature charge, and a $30 transfer charge it came out to $345.

For $345 you can swing a brand new Kel-Tec 9mm plus a holster and ammo. Heck, I can get out the door with a brand new Taurus 85 for $285. Throw in a holster and practice ammo and it will all come up to $345

In my area the cheapest used S&W revolver I have seen was $315 for a model 10 that looked like it had been stored in salt water for a couple of months. I wouldn't have trusted it to shoot, much less shoot straight.

I'm not saying to avoid used guns or particular guns. I'm saying, if you know how to inspect a gun you can get a lower priced gun that is reliable and will serve you well. I have no problem buying a lower priced gun or somebody else buying one. There are some brands that I do avoid because I know from experience or the experience of others that they are problematic.

It all boils down to one thing. I don't look down on those that buy more expensive guns. I realize that for me personally, I don't need one. I get just as much enjoyment out of a Heritage Rough Rider in 22mag as I do my friend's S&W 648. They both shoot as accurately as I can shoot. They both make soda cans and water jugs explode. I don't feel the need to spend $250 more for the S&W. It doesn't do anything the Rough Rider doesn't do. Plus the rough rider has served just fine through 1000 rounds of 22mag and 500 rounds of .22lr.

When it comes to self defense I am comfortable with a Taurus model 85. It shoots as accurate as I can shoot. I have shot numerous S&W, Ruger, and a couple of Colts. The trigger on a colt is better in my opinion. It didn't help my accuracy at all though. I still shot roughly the same group size at 10 yards regardless of the manufacturer.

I can't shoot an S&W any better than I can a model 85. (Maybe that says something about me as a shooter.) So, I see no point is spending more money. I know how to inspect a revolver for potential problems. With over 300 rounds of +p ammo there is no sign of degredation in my gun. Despite what many internet posters swear will happen.

I don't fault anybody for buying anything. I will advise them to avoid a Jiminez, SCCY, or Cobra. I have shot the ones other people owned and had horrible experiences. On the flip side I don't fault somebody for buying a Colt. If they can afford it and they want it more power to them. It just isn't for me.

I guess that is the difference between a snob and somebody that isn't. I don't care what you own, but if I see you with something I have experienced as problematic, I will tell you what to look out for. I won't rag on you about buying it, or tell you that brand x is better. I will advise about potential issues and move on.
 
Funny thing is....all the guys I work with, that say they would NEVER pay over $300 for a gun, talk about how stupid I am for spending as much as I do to get what I want. It goes both ways.
 
Forget the price...its all relative, anyway...

Nobody spending less then $300 is getting anything worthwhile? Just depends on your area, your contacts, and the time frame you are talking about.

With the way our money is being made virtually worthless overnight, how can you claim any set dollar amount will get you quality, or not? I remember (and it doesn't seem that long ago) when brand new S&Ws cost under $300! Ok, it really was a while back, but it doesn't seem like it.

I do agree that getting a used and perhaps badly finish worn gun from a quality maker is usually a better idea that getting a newer (or newer looking) gun from a maker with a questionable reputation. And that's because of service issues.

Taurus has a rather poor rep for fixing things right, in a timely manner. So do many other foreign based makers. Parts are often difficult to get, so local smiths may not be able to fix things in a timely manner. Lots of things to think about with guns in that class.

Some hi end makers guns have trouble too. Nothing made by man is perfect, and all machines can have flaws, and do wear. Going with a gun made by a well regarded maker is never a bad idea, because when you come down to it, it's only money.

Sure, you may not have much money to spend, few of us do these days, but unless you have a need for a gun right now, aren't you going to be better off in the long run to wait until you can afford something you have a right to expect quality from?

If you buy the cheapest crap you can find (and not just guns), then literally, its a crap shoot. You may get good value for your money, but often you don't. Or at least not as much as you get from something a bit better, even though it is more costly up front.

OK, my situation is not yours, I already have something decent for every catagory of handgunning I can think of (or that interests me), so I have no pressing need of something "right now". I can wait for a deal, or a decent price on what I want, cause I already have something useful "for now".

Get that Hi Point (or whatever) if you need a gun, and can only afford one of those. Make sure it works well enough. Then save those pennies (ok dollars), for something a little bit, or a lot better.

I have never run in to the kind of "look down your nose" snob at the range that you are talking about. Might just be my good luck, or might be I don't have guns one can really look down your nose at (ok, I do have one Jennings .22,:eek:) my stuff is mostly average, or better, and most is rather oddball, and uncommon, so I don't see the snobs, or more likely I don't recognize their snobbery :D

I did meet one guy I felt was a snob, he was shooting an HK something or other (IIRC) had a whole fitted suitcase full of gadgets for the gun. Responded to my attempts at conversation with grunts, mumbles, and a barely disguised sneer. Now maybe it was because he was in a three piece suit, and I looked like Larry the Cable guy on a bad day, but it was a warm day at an outdoor range.

Some people apparently just "know" they are better than I am. Didn't bother me much, as I was shooting groups less than half the size of his, at twice the distance, offhand with a .44 Auto Mag!:D
 
We used to own a bar, had a pool table in that bar. Some guys would come in with 300 pool cues :) and want to shoot for 5 a rack. I loved to watch Old Merl take the crookedest cue and beat them guys all day long.

He used to destract them and lick his finger then wipe it over the cue taking the chaulk off and a missed shot :) I just kept it to myself and took a free drink every once in awhile.
 
I pulled out my Taurus 85 at the range and a guy asked me, "are you serious?" He started in on the old saw about "you must not think your life is worth much."

I then proceeded to put 5 shots in the red on a B-34 target at 7 yards. I did it again with 5 more +p rated rounds. Then I asked him if he thought that would be enough to stop an attacker.

Reminds me of myself when I go to the range with my former RCMP S&W 5946 in blacken SS that is all worn looking with 3M Traction tape all over it. I always get the peek from the next booth, like WTH is that??? That is until I start shooting. :D

Seriously, almost all modern day pistols, if they function reliably in the first place, will shoot better than the shooter is capable of.
 
I don't like Glocks either. Sure, I respect that they are reasonably accurate and are reliable and low maintenance, but to me there is nothing like steel and walnut.
 
Post #54

Onward Allusion

Seriously, almost all modern day pistols, if they function reliably in the first place, will shoot better than the shooter is capable of.

That's funny, I was Eavesdropping at the range of a newbie wanting the most accurite handgun he could get, and I opened my dumb mouth and said (#54, as you are saying) all handgun are accurite, maening all modern handguns are only as accurite as the shooter.

It's the shooter, not the gun.

So, I hope the Snob's back up there snobery. is that a word?:D
 
Shooting at the public range one day, next to a guy with a beautiful Browning bolt action 7mm Rem Mag with the BOSS system. We went downrange, he was looking at a target, admiring it, said "Pretty darn good, right"? I said "Thanks", he said "What do you mean", I said "That's my target, yours is one over."

Mine was an inch or so, his looked like a shotgun patterning board. He asked what I was shooting, I told him a Savage 110 7mm Rem Mag, he stomped back to the line, packed up his stuff and left, all the while sneering at my rifle... :rolleyes:
 
I didnt like the things when they were still called stallard arms....but for a different reason. We went from taking
Bryco .32's and .380's off gang bangers to overnight facing cheap 9mm, .40,and .45 handguns made by stallard arms.... It uped the ante on the street. Im tottally pro gun, but that was one situation that we prayed for the factory to burn to the ground.
I have no love of them to this day, despite the company name change.
 
Years ago, when I was younger with 4 kids at home and a job that paid less, I bought what I could afford and practiced as often as I could, given my financial situation. Things change. Today, the kids are gone (almost), we're better set financially and I can afford nicer guns, and more guns. I can also practice more often and attend classes that I could once only read and dream about.

I don't judge others choices because I don't know what's driving their decisions. Live and let live. If someone asks for advice, give it, otherwise be cautious about "preaching" to others.

My .02
Major
 
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