practical purpose for .38 spl guns gone....

.38Spl is "impractical for CCW, home defense..."

the 38 special only gun is..... except for cost which now I see is a big factor for many because so few 357s are priced close to their 38 counterpart.

We are apparently having a failure to communicate. I believe you are using the word "impractical" when you mean "less practactial, or les versatile"

Do you think a .38 Spl, fired from a .357 chambered gun is impractical for CCW, home defense, …"??

Think carefully before answering, this is a test! :D :rolleyes:

If you agree that the .38 Spl round is practical for …. then the .38 only guns MUST be practical, because they shoot a practical round.

.38 only guns may not be the MOST practical, for some folks, or they may be, it depends on your situation and preferences.

But if you accept that the round itself is a viable, practical round for a given situation, then the gun that shoots it, isn't Impractical, if it is within the usual sizes and types.

You could build an 8lb single shot target rifle in .38SPL, and most would consider it impractical for CCW or home defense. I would. But a .38 revolver, being impractical because its not a .357? I disagree.
Less versatile? Sure.
Less practical? perhaps
Impractical? no...
 
We are apparently having a failure to communicate. I believe you are using the word "impractical" when you mean "less practactial, or les versatile"

Do you think a .38 Spl, fired from a .357 chambered gun is impractical for CCW, home defense, …"??

Think carefully before answering, this is a test! :D :rolleyes:

If you agree that the .38 Spl round is practical for …. then the .38 only guns MUST be practical, because they shoot a practical round.

.38 only guns may not be the MOST practical, for some folks, or they may be, it depends on your situation and preferences.

But if you accept that the round itself is a viable, practical round for a given situation, then the gun that shoots it, isn't Impractical, if it is within the usual sizes and types.

You could build an 8lb single shot target rifle in .38SPL, and most would consider it impractical for CCW or home defense. I would. But a .38 revolver, being impractical because its not a .357? I disagree.
Less versatile? Sure.
Less practical? perhaps
Impractical? no...
ok, ya got my on the semantics of all this. I like the .38 special round. in a gun designed only for that round it is Less practical than one chambered in .357 magnum. better?:D
 
ok, ya got my on the semantics of all this. I like the .38 special round. in a gun designed only for that round it is Less practical than one chambered in .357 magnum. better?

Still wrong.

The Ruger LCR in .38 comes in at 13.5 ounces. The Charter Arms Undercover Lite comes in at 12 ounces in .38.

The only 357 in this weight range is the expensive scandium revolvers complete with their bullet weight warnings of "not less than 120 grains".

So you are now arguing it is more practical to design and build a gun that is more expensive to manufacturer (and noticeably more expensive to buy), has bullet weight limitations, and has longevity concerns just so you can chamber a round that the majority of shooters will never actually use in the gun?

Or are you arguing that in guns often purchased for carry the difference in weight makes no practical difference?
 
ok, ya got my on the semantics of all this. I like the .38 special round. in a gun designed only for that round it is Less practical than one chambered in .357 magnum. better?

I can agree with that.
 
357 snub is useless change my mind
I have one because:
1. I can brag about having a 357 Magnum.
2. I know that it will hold up well shooting lowly 38 Special even in +P.
3. It gets your attention when you shoot it and makes your friends want to shoot it only once (they won't shoot it at all if they have experienced one before).
4. It's more powerful even though that is not necessary.
 
I have one because:
1. I can brag about having a 357 Magnum.
2. I know that it will hold up well shooting lowly 38 Special even in +P.
3. It gets your attention when you shoot it and makes your friends want to shoot it only once (they won't shoot it at all if they have experienced one before).
4. It's more powerful even though that is not necessary.

I don't have to hear about shooting "just a .38". I can only ever shoot .38 out of it but none of my buddies question my masculinity over it :) Apparently none of them even want to consider shooting .357 out of a 12 ounce revolver.
 
"so after 6 pages, my statement seems to holds true for John Q citizen. the 38spl only guns are impractical for ccw, home defense..... but they are practical for manufacturers because they are cheaper to make."

I've been carrying a handgun for almost 30 years.

Virtually the entirety of that time my preferred carry handgun has been a snub nose .38 Spl.

I find them extremely practical for CCW and home defense.

Not sure how you're coming to your conclusion, but I don't agree with it in the least.
 
Supply and demand. The invisible hand is at work in the firearms industry. If no one wanted to purchase .38 Spl revolvers any longer, the production and subsequent sales would abruptly end. The market seems to have a wide variety of .38 Spl revolvers available, which indicates a healthy consumer demand. I love the round.
 
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They are just a lot of fun to shoot !

Exactly how much is a great day at the range shooting with a S&W model 64 38 special with a Millet SP-1 red dot sight and accuracy tuned and target trigger job by Clark Custom Guns worth....
It's Priceless !
Gary
 
I have a 357 Magnum revolver that I shoot 38 Special and 38 Special +P in but it just doesn't feel right. It is like using a sledge hammer to drive a tack or a 3/4 ton truck to haul a bag of mulch. It is overkill.

Therefore, I bought a new 38 Special revolver Sunday so I would have a tool adequate for the task at hand and not more. I am glad I bought another revolver I don't really need.
 
I like the .38 special round. in a gun designed only for that round it is Less practical than one chambered in .357 magnum. better?

I can say OK to that but it's a conditional OK.

Because what if I want a gun chambered only in 38 Spl. because I want to shoot only 38 Spl. out of it. Then it's practical for me to buy the gun I want and less practical to buy the gun I don't want..

If I want a gun in .357 then I'll get one. I have a couple actually.

I'll add that this is an odd kind of thread.

tipoc
 
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Practically- I bought a Ruger LRCX 3" in .38 Special. Why?

I like the light weight.
I like the price- I won't feel bad if I fall in to the creek with it.
I like the low recoil for a trail gun/ plinker
If I want more power, I have a .44 magnum so I laugh at your puny .357
I like the 5 round chambering- the box of ammo is neat and tidy when subtracting by fives!
I like that it doesn't shuck my empties on to the floor, in to the grass, somewhere in the gravel or lost in the bushes.

Still working on loads for it, it's not pretty but therefore I won't feel bad when it gets honest wear marks on it.
 
In Ruger's line, the only .38 Special-only gun currently cataloged is the LCR. While the LCR is available in .357 Magnum, the .38 Special version is both roughly 10% lighter and, more importantly, substantially less expensive (MSRP is $90 less for the .38-only version). Of all Ruger's other DA revolvers, which all have steel frames, no .38 Special-only version is cataloged.

I'm surprised no one caught this...

The SP101 is still made in .38spl with a 2.25" barrel (model 5737). While it is true that the GP100 is no longer made in .38spl, it was until fairly recently, and the SP101 certainly is still made.



As for the OP's argument (and continued argument despite all everyone had to say), of course there is good reason to continue making (and buying) .38spl chambered revolvers.

Sure, if you only plan to own one revolver, you'll likely shoot magnum rounds on occasion, and you want a medium frame revolver, you are better off buying a .357mag because it is a little more versatile. For the rest of us (how many at TFL only have one revolver), there are plenty of good reasons for .38spl chambered guns.

Like many have said...

.38 revolvers are usually less expensive than the corresponding magnum. If you won't really shoot magnum much, or at all, why spend the extra money? It simply makes no sense.

.38spl revolvers are usually lighter (when not comparing apples to oranges). This isn't just true with small J-frames. The S&W K-frames in .38 tend to be a couple ounces lighter than the same size magnum, and they are small enough to consider carrying (so the weight makes a difference).

Carbon build up. Shoot a lot of magnums and you will get carbon build up. Regular cleaning may not be enough, you may need to get special cleaners for carbon, or use methods like some have described here that are more intensive. You may not let it get to where it makes it hard to chamber a magnum cartridge, but it does mean extra cleaning and an extra step if you shoot .38spl out of a .357mag revolver.

Many people seem to think that .38spl is more accurate out of a dedicated .38spl. The idea is that the extra distance the bullet is traveling before hitting the rifling will harm accuracy. I haven't seen the idea tested. Even if one or two people did with their personal revolvers, it would be hard to come to a definitive conclusion due to possible variances revolver to revolver. It would need to involve quite a few guns to really be conclusive. However, it makes some sense, and true or not, it is a commonly held belief. If true, it certainly would be a good argument for dedicated .38spl revolvers.

Rules. There are still some security companies and correctional departments that issue revolvers. There are more (and some police departments) that allow them. Many that do allow them, do not allow magnum revolvers. While it may be the weakest argument for a dedicated .38, if an individual happens to fall under regulations that limit them to non-magnum revolvers, that's a great argument for that person to get a dedicated .38spl.

If you want a small frame revolver, especially a lightweight, .38 is often the way to go. For most people, .357mag is too much even in a steel framed small frame revolver, and definitely in a lightweight. Sure, some may be able to shoot it, some may not even mind the recoil that much. However, the excessive recoil in such a small and light gun means much slower follow up shots. If you are going to shoot mainly (or only) .38 anyway, the drawbacks of the .357mag chambering are good reason to go .38 only. For the steel guns, the price may be similar (at least if you are buying Taurus), but they will be much heavier. If you are buying Taurus, you no longer have a 5-shot .38 v. a 5-shot .357mag as your choice, they now have the 5-shot magnum and 6-shot .38spl in almost the same size (I would rather have the extra round of controllable .38 than the more power, but slower follow up shots, through the magnums). In a lightweight gun, the materials and manufacturing processes to allow it to shoot magnums is going to make the gun significantly more expensive. Sure, a scandium .357 will be a little lighter than the aluminum 442/642, but the 15oz 442/642 is as light as I ever want to shoot when shooting .38spl defensive rounds.

If you are in any way a collector, some seriously classic guns were made in .38spl. If you want a model 10, it will be a .38. If you want a Colt Police Positive Special, it will be a .38 (or .32). Even new production, I wouldn't mind a new S&W M10 just because it has a heritage that goes back to the original model 10s and prior to that the Military and Police revolvers.

If you own several guns, given that .38 may be more accurate, and certainly given some of the historical significance some designs have, why not have dedicated .38 revolvers and .357mag revolvers.
 
Many people seem to think that .38spl is more accurate out of a dedicated .38spl. The idea is that the extra distance the bullet is traveling before hitting the rifling will harm accuracy.

Yes, that horrible "long distance jump" .38s need to make out of a .357 chamber....personally, I think its bunk. We aren't talking about firing a .45colt from a gun cut to also shoot .410 shells here.

people will often cite the difference in the case lengths, .38 and .357, and yes, its 0.135" difference (max length specs). So, that's a big jump, right??

Except, it isn't. First off 0.135" isn't all that big a difference, but more importantly, the bullet jump ISN'T 0.135"!! its 0.04" inches, less than 1/3 of the usually quoted 0.135".

Look at the COAL lengths. .357 is 1.590" .38 Special is 1.550". That's only 0.04" difference in the max LOADED length of the two rounds. I don't see how the difference the bullet had to jump to reach the rifling can be any more than the difference between the length of the loaded rounds.
 
Yes, that horrible "long distance jump" .38s need to make out of a .357 chamber....personally, I think its bunk. We aren't talking about firing a .45colt from a gun cut to also shoot .410 shells here.

people will often cite the difference in the case lengths, .38 and .357, and yes, its 0.135" difference (max length specs). So, that's a big jump, right??

Except, it isn't. First off 0.135" isn't all that big a difference, but more importantly, the bullet jump ISN'T 0.135"!! its 0.04" inches, less than 1/3 of the usually quoted 0.135".

Look at the COAL lengths. .357 is 1.590" .38 Special is 1.550". That's only 0.04" difference in the max LOADED length of the two rounds. I don't see how the difference the bullet had to jump to reach the rifling can be any more than the difference between the length of the loaded rounds.
However, I have found that I had a more difficult time getting accurate "powder puff" target loads when using .38 Specials in my .357 guns (S&W). I don't know why or if my experiences were typical.
 
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