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Recovery from a Brain injury of this type (as much as you are able to recover that is) is a long, long term process, and a year is the soonest I have seen progress stop.
That being said, the brain injury impairs her judgement, survivors guilt and almost certainly PTSD impair his. How can I be so sure? I've seen a lot of these families, but catch up a little on the research in the area and I am sure you'll agree with me.
Buying an AR15, so that maybe he can sleep a little better at night and maybe not have the fear be so strong in him during the day, could very well be called an expected outcome. He may not have been able to help himself.

Understanding the pathology involved, I find the exploitation of these people, with or without their cooperation, to be nothing short of despicable, cynical, and the mark of a person without a functioning conscience. No I'm not talking about anyone here, I'm talking about the people using them as a dog and pony show.
Just leave these poor sad people alone, of course his actions are conflicted and inconsistent.
Say a prayer for him folks, don't curse him.
 
Heh, I know that store, I'm there at least once or twice a week. That's my usual hang out. Too bad I wasn't there to see him. I would have called him out.

EDIT: Now after reading the article, (I only looked at the pic when I typed this) it's confirmed. Diamondback Police supply. He's filling out his form on top of their empty pistol display case (I was there over the weekend, and they had exactly 17 semiauto pistols. Pre-panic, it was near 100.)
 
Seems he was amazed it only took a few minutes for his background check to clear. Now I wonder how high his security clearances were :) when he flew shuttles. I hope this doesnt deter him from enjoying his 45 and ar15 :)
 
He was on CNN today talking about the purchase. I didn't get any more information as the TV at the diner didn't have the sound on. Anyone else happen to catch the interview and hear what he had to say or what kinds of questions they asked him?
 
He was on CNN today talking about the purchase. I didn't get any more information as the TV at the diner didn't have the sound on. Anyone else happen to catch the interview and hear what he had to say or what kinds of questions they asked him?
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Heh...I don't think I need to see it to know the Softballs that were thrown his way, or the answers he gave.

Annnnnndddd....this pretty much confirms it...

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...s-husband-buys-assault-weapon/?iref=allsearch

Although it's not a transcript of the interview, it is quoted. Gotta love the one-sided reporting. Nothing about the other side of the coin. Didn't expect anything different.
 
From sigcurious:
"Anyone else happen to catch the interview and hear what he had to say or what kinds of questions they asked him? "

I caught the end of it. He's going to be buying more guns in the future and reporting how easy it is.
 
I would hope it would be easy for a man with no criminal record and no mental health issues. And presumably a high military secuity clearance.
 
Jeez, can't they just add him to the list of prohibited purchases if he's afraid it's too easy for him? Besides, he's all uber-trained in astronaut-foo; why shouldn't he get a gun if he wants it? (And he obviously wanted this rifle) I'll bet his biggest suprise was that his NICS went through in mere minutes as opposed to the hours/days-long delays we had been seeing.

Does hypocrisy abound among the anti-gunners? It certainly does. At the heart of their ideology is the idea that the privileged will have access to self-defense while the unwashed masses do not.
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There are those with a moral compass, and those who live and die by contradictions. I'll give Mr. Kelly the benefit of the doubt and assume his morals have been compromised by tragedy as opposed to politics (although this sad fate has been very beneficial for him politically--bit of a Faustian covenant to tie his prominence to those who exploit tragedy)

TCB
 
He lost all credibility to me when he told the story about the guy that showed up during the shooting of his wife. He told the story in front of the Senate committee on gun violence. Basically he argued that CCW was a bad idea. He said that a second tragedy ALMOST happened when a man with a CCW ALMOST shot the person who was tackling the original shooter. Yeah, let's pass laws on things that AMOST happened or MIGHT happen. In my CCW class, it was made VERY clear that when you come to the aid of another with your firearm, you must know the situation enough to determine who the bad guy is. Otherwise, using your firearm is not warranted.
 
Originally posted by scrubcedar
Understanding the pathology involved, I find the exploitation of these people, with or without their cooperation, to be nothing short of despicable, cynical, and the mark of a person without a functioning conscience. No I'm not talking about anyone here, I'm talking about the people using them as a dog and pony show.
Just leave these poor sad people alone, of course his actions are conflicted and inconsistent.
Say a prayer for him folks, don't curse him.
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Except that he is making it his life's work to support anti-gun legislation. He has gotten on the soap box and publicly denounced high-capacity mags and assault weapons. That is a why he is no longer the object of sympathy my eyes. Instead I now see him as a despicable hypocrite.
 
I understand your point Skadoosh. However after tragedies like this I've seen person after person take this route. It's not a healthy or productive thing, and I've seen the large majority of the people who walk down it end up showing self destructive behavior, up to and including suicide.

They should be trying to find a pathway that includes a normal life, not bathing yourself in the tragedy over and over again. "he is making it his life's work to support anti-gun legislation" exactly, you hit it right on the nose.

Our Psychologists when they saw people going down the"poster boy"route, and becoming a fanatical advocate for something, steered the patients and families away from it with all their strength.
This is the easy pathway that brings pat's on the back, and sympathy from every quarter, but you never start to get the distance and perspective from the tragedy you absolutely must have for survival.

What these people are doing is the equivalent of repeatedly handing an alcoholic a bottle of whiskey. Does the alcoholic bear the final responsibility for taking the drink? You bet. Does that make you any less of a scumbag for handing him the whiskey? I'll let you decide.
 
Hurts their credibility more the our arguments ever could
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Not with the base. Imagine a few gun-control folks sitting around a coffee shop talking about it.

"Did you hear about Mark Kelly? He bought one of those AR-15 rifles."

"Uh huh, I know. He went to a gun store and everything. That's scary. I heard the people who work there don't even bathe. That was pretty brave of him."

"Yeah, right? I can't wait for them to ban those things. It's good that he's turning it over to the police. I just feel so bad that his wife was shot with one of those."

And that's their base in a nutshell. Kelly's credibility with them won't be hurt a bit by it since their agenda thrives on ignorance and hypocrisy.

What these people are doing is the equivalent of repeatedly handing an alcoholic a bottle of whiskey.
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To some extent. Kelly and Giffords have been through the unthinkable, and I've no doubt they're being manipulated by their peers. That can be some pretty strong pressure.

That said, nobody marched him into that store and forced him to buy that rifle.
 
When someone puts themselves in the public spotlight and makes it their mission to drive a policy, they have to be dealt with, sympathy or no.

It is not mean spirited to call him a hypocrite, it is a fact. He should be called out on the facts of his statements versus his actions. And the fact we do so does not indicate one way or another whether we are sympathetic to his and his wife's trauma. We are responding to his public words and actions.

Mark Kelly has made it his mission to deprive other citizens of the means to protect themselves freely, while he scrambles to acquire those very same weapons and accessories. And he shamelessly uses his wife as a media prop.
 
Although I am confused, as I did not think AZ had any waiting period, yet he did not take immediate possession of it according to the article.
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He probably got delayed by NICS. It happens all the time and often for no known reason.
 
"Mark Kelly has made it his mission to deprive other citizens of the means to protect themselves freely, while he scrambles to acquire those very same weapons and accessories...."

Well said.
 
I would hazard a guess that Capt. Kelly, being a former Naval officer and astronaut, probably has security clearances up to the wazoo.

Pop always got delayed on his NICS checks, and that was the only reason he could fathom as to why it was taking so long.
 
So, for those interested, I stopped by the store Kelly bought that AR from. I asked one of my buddies behind the counter, with a grin on my face, "So, which of you sold Mark Kelly the AR?"

He replied, "Even if I knew that, I couldn't tell you...you know that. But, I do know, because I saw it happen, that he was asked by several people what he was buying it for. He refused to answer anyone's questions. Even someone asking for the autograph of an astronaut, he just ignored them. Basically, unless the question was being asked by the salesperson for the purposes of the sale, he wasn't saying anything at all."

So, take that to mean whatever you'd like. I just thought you guys might appreciate some information that hasn't been through the MSM filter and spin machine.
 
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