Pony, Mustang, and Gov't. .380 copies- who will be the first?

I agree with Dave R.

about the FEG pistols. I have two Govt. 380's and an FEG SMC-380 which I think is just as reliable and accurate. It is a bit thicker than the Colts and has a much sharper recoil, however. I don't think we'll see Colt make these again without the usual "safety improvements" we're seeing other manufacturers (like Springfield) adopt. They don't even make Series 80 1911's anymore.

My $0.02.

Regards,

Ledbetter
 
Alex Johnson wrote:

I will have to disagree with that one too. I have had one since last year and have shot several hundred rounds through it already, just shot a bunch this weekend. It has been damn reliable with just about everything I've shot through it. It absolutely loves the Blazer hollowpoints. Actually I think Llama might have had the little .380's out before Colt did, not sure on that though. Anyway, it's not a bad gun by any means, and definitely not worth the bad rap its been getting by a lot of people on TFL.
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Just goes to show (again) that every gun has its preferences: My Llama throws shotgun-type patterns of 10-12 inches at 10 yards with blazers, but does 2-3" with Mag-Tech brand.

Tim W.
 
380 Llama I shot was reliable but inaccurate. It gave 3" group at 21ft (compared with 2" with a Mustang and a 3/4" with 1908 Hammerless). I recall seeing peening marks on the slide and did not want to get one for myself.
 
...you will find that the new guns have a magazine disconnect safety so that no round can be fired without a magazine in the gun...
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Are you sure that the "Disconnect Safety" mentioned on the Colt web site is a magazine disconnect safety? Perhaps they mean the disconnector's function of preventing the pistol from firing when it's out of battery.

I really, really hope that they haven't screwed up their pistols by adding a magazine "safety". That would be bad.
 
Wow, you may want to inform my box-stock Colt that it has a magazine safety. It doesn't seem to know that:)
 
Colt doesn't make 1911s anymore? Since yesterday, or what? I am not aware that Colt ever actually stopped making them. They have been in short supply for a couple of years, and people still(!) quote Newsweek magazine's "Colt's not selling guns to the public" BS - like there's a warehouse full of Pythons and All-American 2000s, waiting for some gov't agency to buy them? Colt stopped making the guns that nobody was buying. The DA pocket pistols were dropped due to the Kahr suit. I have heard, from the guy who identifies himself as the manager of handgun production, or something to that effect, that we're going to get the Python (stainless, 6" only), Anaconda, and Mustang back this year, along with the M1991A1, National Match, and XSE Gov't Model (with the intention of replacing the XSE with a model more like the old XS), Cowboy and SAA. He said the Magnum Carry was an either/or deal with the Mustang, and the latter won out. I suspect there will be more of a market for Colt's revolvers if Smith goes belly-up.
 
I will admit that the Llama's aren't the most accurate pistols made, though they certainly give adequite accuarcy for anything they were intended for. At 50 feet the Llama I have will stay in the black on a standard NRA target with blazers if I do my part. If put in a machinerest they would probably group considerably tighter. My father had a Colt Mustang that would hardly stay on the paper at this range, so it goes to show that these guns aren't always the most accurate either.
 
OK OK

It just says "disconnect safety" on the website. If you say it doesn't mean mag disconnect safety I'll have to believe you. My point is that Colt will not re-release the same Govt. .380, Mustang and Pony we have seen in the past. They are too "dangerous."

Regards.
 
380 Llama I shot was reliable but inaccurate. It gave 3" group at 21ft (compared with 2" with a Mustang and a 3/4" with 1908 Hammerless). I recall seeing peening marks on the slide and did not want to get one for myself.
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Ain't no bad guy gonna be able to tell the difference!!
 
Just for sh*ts and grins...the Seecamp that was ripped off by Autuga and NAA, was a rip off of the Intratec Protec 25..which
is a direct clone of a CZ 45....which is an improved version of
the CZ 36.......Seecamp just copied a copy of a CZ...

The Llamas are pretty good guns...supposedly the older ones suffered from soft parts..but the newer production guns have new metalurgy and are starting to get a better rep...the .380
I shot was pretty dependable..no malfuntions at all and was
pretty accurate out to 10 yds....would make a decent carry gun
very very thin and small...

Shoot well
 
Llama 380

I absolutely love my llama Micromax 380. Accurate, reliable and cheap. What more can anyone ask? Mine loves Blazer FMJ's and after I polished the feed ramp it feeds as good as any gun I have owned.. And its a great looking gun to boot!

Frank
 
the Seecamp that was ripped off by Autuga and NAA, was a rip off of the Intratec Protec 25..which
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Odd, seeing as how the Seecamp was on the market long before the Intratec.
 
Let's look at this concept of a mini-1911 chambered in .380 ACP from a marketing perspective.

It's aimed at the pocket carry market.

Hhhhmmm.

A 1911 company used to 45 ACP or derivatives going into a 9mm or smaller semi auto market. Hard entry.

What ever happened to Colt's Mustangs, Pocketlite's, and Pocket 9 guns? That's right.

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Colt discounted it because no one wanted this brick with the trigger so gritty I thought they built them on the beach!

Thoses sales went to the non-1911 pocket gun makers for the Kahr MK9/MP9, Taurus Millenium, Glock 26/27/33, Kel tec P-11/P-32, NAA Guardian .380 ACP/.32ACP, Walther PPK in .380/.32 ACP, Sig P-320, and Seecamp .32 ACP. Even the Beretta Tomcat and AMT Backup!

Here is what gun dealers are selling because people want lighter, thinner, smaller:

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Sorry but pocket carry necessitates the removal of a thumb safety and no hammer.

From a market analysis, there is no room. Too late and it would have to be light.

And polymer is something that is still new to the makers you'd like to see make that .380 ACP 1911 style pocket gun.

And from a finance standpoint, why would Colt and Kimber enter the pocket gun market where they'd have to price their gun in the $200-400 range. Would not fit into their quality premium price position.

Nice dream!
 
And what is it with these cheap LLama guns and the cheap Blazer and Mag Tech ammo.

Come on now!

You can't expect performance out of that combo!
 
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