Police trade ins

Yesterday I looked very closely at police trade ins. And now I'm saying that the guns made for law enforcement are different then the ones sold in the stores for the novice/general public. Quality control is much higher. Feed ramps are polished much better, edges/corners are deburred...ect....lots of other things too. As every gun leaves a different marking on the bullet,there are many things that are not noticed by "We-the-everyday-people".
When I was making gages, I made 1 that was rejected by the US Army, because it was 37 millionth of an inch over size. It was made from carbide, and cooled a little less than I figured it would.
So comparing the guns in the stores to the special-order ones are a little bit of comparing different apples.
 
And now I'm saying that the guns made for law enforcement are different then the ones sold in the stores for the novice/general public.
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That's simply not true.

Very few departments "special order" any firearms, so they are gatting factory run pieces, just like anyone else

What you may be seeing is work done by the DEPT itself
 
I have one police trade-in - a Gen 3 Glock 19.

Despite a serial number that seems to indicate it was manufactured in 2002, it looks like it was rarely, if ever, carried, and shot very little.

It came with the awful NY1 trigger spring, which was easily replaced. The slide stop spring (a known weakness in the Glock design) was shot (meaning the slide would lock back intermittently during mags). That was an easy fix as well. Now it's a great and reliable shooter.
 
Dude, you need to focus on the facts.

Overwhelmingly, an L.E. trade-in gun hasn't "had the brakes beat off it for it's entire service life."

So let's review: most of these cop guns were carried holstered for 99.5% of their in-service life and, thus, actual fired-round counts are relatively low, as compared to what a non-L.E., hard-training civilian might put through his gun, even the same model.

Sure, it's always possible to get a "shot-out" former cop gun, but the probabilities highly favor a low round-count weapon.
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and let's continue to review, in my area, if it aint broke, don't fix it is applies heavily with our PDs. they only trade up when the old stuff really needs it. I've seen the guns that our PDs are still using and that scares me a little. their range guns are the epitome of beat the brakes off. as I said, even if they only shoot their 150 rounds every 6 months to qualify with them, most guys never clean their gun and couldn't even show you how to do it if they had to, take that 300 rounds a year over a 10 year life span and that's 3000 rounds with barely a cleaning in the middle and as I said, covered in the guy's sweat as well as other fluids from drunks and what have you and those guns have the strong possibility of being trash.
 
and let's continue to review, in my area, if it aint broke, don't fix it is applies heavily with our PDs. they only trade up when the old stuff really needs it. I've seen the guns that our PDs are still using and that scares me a little. their range guns are the epitome of beat the brakes off. as I said, even if they only shoot their 150 rounds every 6 months to qualify with them, most guys never clean their gun and couldn't even show you how to do it if they had to, take that 300 rounds a year over a 10 year life span and that's 3000 rounds with barely a cleaning in the middle and as I said, covered in the guy's sweat as well as other fluids from drunks and what have you and those guns have the strong possibility of being trash.
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Great that means there is one less person to compete with when looking at police trade in...

In the end you are for the most part wrong on this subject. This does not mean that there are not beat up police guns on market but the vast majority of them are good quality guns which have been carried often and shot little. Their external wear is almost never indicative of internal wear which is the more important part IMHO.

Most LEO/PDs do not keep their guns for 10 years anymore. The are refreshed at a much faster rate. The way Glock and now S&W incentives trade ins makes the cycle much shorter.

If you do not want to buy them that's cool but don't trash them because your hypothetical assessment simply does not match the real world buying experience.

Do these look like they have been abused?

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To my eyes they don't and they are $350 come with 2 mags and night sights.... :rolleyes:
 
Yesterday I looked very closely at police trade ins. And now I'm saying that the guns made for law enforcement are different then the ones sold in the stores for the novice/general public. Quality control is much higher. Feed ramps are polished much better, edges/corners are deburred...ect....lots of other things too. As every gun leaves a different marking on the bullet,there are many things that are not noticed by "We-the-everyday-people".
When I was making gages, I made 1 that was rejected by the US Army, because it was 37 millionth of an inch over size. It was made from carbide, and cooled a little less than I figured it would.
So comparing the guns in the stores to the special-order ones are a little bit of comparing different apples.
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This is not the case. Pick up a commerial Glock or M&P and it will be no different than contact LEO gun. These are US military contract guns they are like a Colt M4 or an FN M4 which are subject to spot inspections detailed in the contract. These are straight run production guns with only the slightest modifications like a NY trigger on a Glock which makes it worse not better. :eek:
 
I told my friend, Life is a continuous change.
He sad .....life is a bitch, and than we die.
Now I'm saying, that SIG ARMS makes different model p226 for the Army, than for the Navy Seals...for example, among other things, stainless coated slide, different coating on the inside parts.
 
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I told my friend, Life is a continuous change.
He sad .....life is a bitch, and than we die.
Now I'm saying, that SIG ARMS makes different model p226 for the Army, than for the Navy Seals...for example, among other things, stainless coated slide, different coated inside parts.
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And which one of those 2 examples are LEO?

Also please remind me which version of the P226 does the US Army use? Also what is a stainless coated slide?
 
Maybe not those 2, but Homeland is LEO too.
I don't have much time for things like tit-for-tat now, I'm busy.

Check for yourself....https://www.google.com/search?q=us+a...w=1280&bih=867

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...6-mk25-pistol/
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Those links do not prove your point or address the question I asked you. Since you are unable to answer the questions I will answer them for you.

The US Army has never adopted the P226. It lost the US Army Pistol trials to the Beretta 92 series gun designated the M9.

The US Army did however adopt in limited usage the P228 designated the M11 which is a shorten version of the P226 but is considered a different pistol by Sig experts and novices alike.

Also all current production Sigs have stainless steel slides which IIRC are milled out of bar stock in their NH facility. There are still some small contract runs of older carbon steel slides which are folded but those are few and far between and with Sig moving production 100% to the US I believe those will be a thing of the past in the near future. No Sigs are stainless coated ....:cool:

Yes there are a lot of LEOs who use the P226 as duty weapon. Some have gotten DAO triggers, some have DAK triggers, some had rails, most had night sights etc.... these are just contract specified variations of standard Sig offerings. All were at one time or another offered to the public as well except for the DAO triggers, 99% of the time you see those on the commercial market they are contract over runs or LEO trade ins, which brings us back to the OP and your comments.

These LEO guns are not a better breed of Sigs or any other gun. They are simply standard production guns built to a contract specification using standard practices.

This is not a tit for tat issue it is a correction of inaccurate statements. Enjoy the Sig P239 I used to have one in 40/357, conversion barrel, but I gave it up when I went 9mm and 45 ACP only. Mine was not an LEO trade in!
Those are different configurations not better finished guns.
 
I have two trade in's.
Ruger PC4 and a S&W 1006
I love them both and would'nt hesitate to
buy another trade in. As mentioned about, most are carried alot
and shot very little.
 
I bought two police trade in Glock 22's a few years ago for $270 each. They both looked pretty good, normal holster wear on the edges of slide. Night sights had some life left on both of em. I'm an armorer for my department and took them both apart. One was great on the inside, the other had a broken locking block pin, a bad slide release spring, and needed a new recoil spring. It was kind of a PITA to order the parts for something I just purchased, but it was approximately $11 in parts and it was good to go.
 
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and let's continue to review, in my area, if it aint broke, don't fix it is applies heavily with our PDs. they only trade up when the old stuff really needs it. I've seen the guns that our PDs are still using and that scares me a little. their range guns are the epitome of beat the brakes off. as I said, even if they only shoot their 150 rounds every 6 months to qualify with them, most guys never clean their gun and couldn't even show you how to do it if they had to, take that 300 rounds a year over a 10 year life span and that's 3000 rounds with barely a cleaning in the middle and as I said, covered in the guy's sweat as well as other fluids from drunks and what have you and those guns have the strong possibility of being trash.
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External wear is different from internal wear, and while cleaning a gun will insure it's proper function not cleaning a gun is not likely to cause permanent damage. If anything you might have to spend an hour or two with your favorite cleaning supplies. As has been mentioned, with the incentives these days it's very rare to see departments hold on to sidearms for 10 years. That may be true in your one local case, but we have to think of law enforcement as a whole. 3000 rds is less than 4 months of shooting for me and frankly well below the useful life of any modern firearm. As for sweat, gun scrubber, rubbing alcohol, etc are options if it really concerns you. Frankly I sweat too, I just wipe the gun down on occasion.
 
"No Sigs are stainless coated"

Hey Mr. Sig, I'm here to learn, I figured the material is stainless, instead of coated. I wish I'm a photographer, instead of a hard-headed-Hungarian.:D
I made some pictures, I wish I know how to upload them here.







One more time, all I'm trying to say is, that there is a big difference in the finishing of the "same-gun".
 
What you are seeing my hard headed Hugarian friend is the decline in Sig quality from 2007 to 2014. They are not the same company now that they were then and sadly they were not the same company in 2007 that they were in 1990.

The P239 has always had a stainless steel slides IIRC older ones are marked stainless I have not held a new one in years but I think that part of the rollmark might be gone. Both are finished in "Nitron" which is a Sig proprietary finish. Lots of changes have been made to it over the years. This is what you are seeing not the difference between a LEO gun and a commerical gun.

The P239 was one of the first Sigs to be made in the US on German frames. These days all frames are made unless they are marked German and bear the proof marks and triple serial #s.

Sorry to the OP for the thread drift.
 
Yes Sir Mr. Sig,
I know what you mean. My middle name used to be "the Precisionist"-machinist. I'm some of the leftover craftsman.
I also premise no more off, thank you very much.
 
I am currently looking at a Glock 23 and a M&P 40 police trade in on budsgubshop. I figure it's worth the gamble. I need a new carry gun. I don't mind the bluing being blemished as long as it functions.
 
Militant assuming you are not in KY, where you can stop by Bud's, and have a good transfer dealers check these out!!!!

http://www.dansammo.com/firearms.asp

GLOCK M.23 PISTOLS

Glock m.23 40 Cal. 3rd generation 13rd mag. Trades. Cleaned and inspected, this particular lot is in VERY GOOD - EXCELLENT condition. Not your ordinary police trade, these are from the CA DOT. NITE Sights. In Glock case with one extra 13 round magazine. $350 shipping is $15-$20 depending on location.

Dan is the man for LEO/surplus guns!

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