On no knock raids and probable cause...
I was staying in Chula Vista, CA a few years back and the hotel my parents were staying in got a NO_KNOCK visit from the chulavista PD. NOT ONLY did they have the WRONG ROOM, the wrong family and the wrong car.. they had searched my Aunt's car before executing a no-knock on her hotel room pointing a shiny auto matic at her and her daughter. they then proceeded to kick in my parent's door in the adjoining room.. and demanded to know where i was. (i was at my brother's place getting ready for a fishing trip) These guys pointed a shotgun at my MOM.
SO, do you think our search and seizure rights were violated?
#1 they searched the Van without us present or asking permission.. only reason ? Van had out of state plates? Probable cause? Profiling? Yeah Right.
#2 They were looking for a hispanic teenager and his hispanic girlfriend. They already KNEW there was another person (me) missing from the room. I had paid for it with a credit card and shown my Colorado Driver's license to the clerk. (guess what I'm NOT hispanic and I was 27 or so at the time ) I have NO record. So why was I mistaken for a bench warrent bad guy? Why don't you ask him, he was in room 104. My family was in 204.
Oh what's that? He heard the commotion and got away?
(WHY oh WHY don't you see this kinda thing on Cops? 13 tyear old girl wets self when cops kick in the wrong door! next on america funniest constitutional rights violations!!!)
hasn't it been proven over and over again that no-knocks are more dangerous for LEO's AND civilians?
And BY THE WAY... there have benna half dozen "WRONG HOUSE" no knock entries in Colorado.. and at LEAST one ended up with a LEO dead.. along with a law abiding citizen who shot the LEO. He saw a guy dressed in black with a ski mask, flashlight and handgun break through his trailer door. bang bang bang. Two people are dead. The cops were looking for drugs. No drugs wrong house. SORRY.
When are we gonna figure out that as a society our "war on drugs" has caused these excesses in abuse of our FOURTH AND SECOND ammendment rights?
The shoot in Denver last week MAY have been "clean". But I for one am NOT convinced. We've had several examples of excessive force in Denver recently. Two made the national news. Ever hear of Scott Truax? Of Gill Webb? Look them up in the Denver Post Archieves.
Sorry to get on a rant guys.. I'm not against LEO's, rather the misguided policies that have caused us ALL heartache and legal dispair.
When anti drug laws have made the public fear any house or person that may have "guns" and any person that MAY have drugs gets a swat team up hios ass. Oh some one stole your car? wait it was used in a CROIME we'll ChARGE IT with a crime, Impound it and SELL it back to ourselves.
When are people going to realize that the WAR on DRUGS is taking away OUR freedom. as long as there is a war.. we will have more soldiers, more laws more czars, etc. You think its going to get EASIER? You think we are going to see less shootings?
Just some food for thought from a Denver Resident,
Dr.Rob
I was staying in Chula Vista, CA a few years back and the hotel my parents were staying in got a NO_KNOCK visit from the chulavista PD. NOT ONLY did they have the WRONG ROOM, the wrong family and the wrong car.. they had searched my Aunt's car before executing a no-knock on her hotel room pointing a shiny auto matic at her and her daughter. they then proceeded to kick in my parent's door in the adjoining room.. and demanded to know where i was. (i was at my brother's place getting ready for a fishing trip) These guys pointed a shotgun at my MOM.
SO, do you think our search and seizure rights were violated?
#1 they searched the Van without us present or asking permission.. only reason ? Van had out of state plates? Probable cause? Profiling? Yeah Right.
#2 They were looking for a hispanic teenager and his hispanic girlfriend. They already KNEW there was another person (me) missing from the room. I had paid for it with a credit card and shown my Colorado Driver's license to the clerk. (guess what I'm NOT hispanic and I was 27 or so at the time ) I have NO record. So why was I mistaken for a bench warrent bad guy? Why don't you ask him, he was in room 104. My family was in 204.
Oh what's that? He heard the commotion and got away?
(WHY oh WHY don't you see this kinda thing on Cops? 13 tyear old girl wets self when cops kick in the wrong door! next on america funniest constitutional rights violations!!!)
hasn't it been proven over and over again that no-knocks are more dangerous for LEO's AND civilians?
And BY THE WAY... there have benna half dozen "WRONG HOUSE" no knock entries in Colorado.. and at LEAST one ended up with a LEO dead.. along with a law abiding citizen who shot the LEO. He saw a guy dressed in black with a ski mask, flashlight and handgun break through his trailer door. bang bang bang. Two people are dead. The cops were looking for drugs. No drugs wrong house. SORRY.
When are we gonna figure out that as a society our "war on drugs" has caused these excesses in abuse of our FOURTH AND SECOND ammendment rights?
The shoot in Denver last week MAY have been "clean". But I for one am NOT convinced. We've had several examples of excessive force in Denver recently. Two made the national news. Ever hear of Scott Truax? Of Gill Webb? Look them up in the Denver Post Archieves.
Sorry to get on a rant guys.. I'm not against LEO's, rather the misguided policies that have caused us ALL heartache and legal dispair.
When anti drug laws have made the public fear any house or person that may have "guns" and any person that MAY have drugs gets a swat team up hios ass. Oh some one stole your car? wait it was used in a CROIME we'll ChARGE IT with a crime, Impound it and SELL it back to ourselves.
When are people going to realize that the WAR on DRUGS is taking away OUR freedom. as long as there is a war.. we will have more soldiers, more laws more czars, etc. You think its going to get EASIER? You think we are going to see less shootings?
Just some food for thought from a Denver Resident,
Dr.Rob