(Please Help!) Where do these infernal particles in my barrel come from???

I think for cleaning corrosive I am going to start using the Birchwood Casey Muzzle Magic No. 77. Seems alot more subtle and less time consuming than fumbling around with bowl of water. And dont worry Denis, I;m not gonna shoot the Mosin anymore for a while. I am sticking to the 10/22 until instructed otherwise. :)
And what does on to the next one mean?
 
On to the next particles-in-my-Mosin/oops-I-accidentally-disassembled-my-Mosin-rear-sight/what-can-I-clean-my-Mosin-with episode. :)
Denis
 
Remember a month or so back when I was asking you to check your crown?
Get a magnifying glass & look at it.

The crown is the end of your rifling.
Typically, the Mosin will have a rounded muzzle/barrel end. That means the barrel wall ends should be rounded, unless the muzzle's been cut off square.

The rifling should not extend fully to the farthest tip of the barrel.
Close, but not quite.

The area inside the muzzle where the rifling ends should be uniformly circular, with no chips, dings, dents, or nicks.

Just look at it under a good light & see what you see.
Denis
 
Mine is counterbored. I can see about 3 little marks on the Right side looking down into the muzzle. Is the accuracy of this rifle Kaput because of this?
 
At about the same time, I asked you back then if your barrel was counterbored, you never answered.

Mo, I strongly suggest you dump that gun.

Counterboring, as you know, was done by the Soviets to salvage a barrel with worn or damaged rifling at the muzzle.
A counterbored Mosin CAN shoot, but it's an indicator that the rifle you have has encountered a rough service life, and depending on how well the counterboring was done, it may just be an indifferent shooter at best, regardless of what you do to it.

You really don't have one that's worth putting much into, and that counterbored barrel may be part of your problem in getting it to shoot.

You might strongly consider selling it for whatever you can get out of it & scrounging up a better one.

You've learned a bit since you got it & should have a better idea of what to look for on the next one.
Denis
 
No need for sorry, it's your gun & your decision.
Just saying it will quite likely never be what you want it to be.
Denis
 
I don't really want it to be a target gun. i realize that now. i just want it to be able t hit a 12" Going at 200 Yards ( already did that) and be able to hit water jugs at 100-150 and cans at 50-75 yards. Still working on the cans, but the jugs and gong are GTG.
 
Mosin, looks like you have a lot of good advice to go on, but I would like to emphasize the importance of the bore brush. I have an old trap door rifle and was encouraged to read a book by Spence and Pat Wolf (Loading Cartridges For The Original 45.70.... Wolf recomended a one time cleaning routine to remove the old fouling that consisted of using an oversize brush (50 cal brush for a 45 cal bore) and spending several days soaking and brushing a hundred or so strokes a day!

There is a recipe for Ed's Red bore cleaner you can find here: Eds Red and Unclenick provides a link to an excellent article on bore cleaning there as well.

Good luck!
 
Best method for removing this is cleaning right after a HOT shooting session, leaves the gunk easier to remove, if you wait it cools down and makes it harder to remove, better to get it all out in a few goes , rather than many.
 
I just find that the boiling water method, while I'm sure it is suit for other people and it does work, is just too clumsy for my likes. My cleaning method is just an initial cleaning with Muzzle Magic No. 77, then I use Hoppe's #9 when I get back into the house. I'm running low on patches right now though. Bought a thousand two months ago and only have about 200 or so left. I go through an ungodly amount of those it seems.
 
boiling water works fine. on the clean cloths

i placed my barrel into a oven and heated it, allowing for it to leak all the gunk out in one go. had to do it to remove pins, of my rear site (placed back in when frozen in freezer to decrease size).

end result all the crud is gone from my mosin, but thats a little extreme.
 
Thankfully my moving was cleaned of most all the cosmology when I got it. Still some under the rear sight. But I tried to take that off before and it didn't go well.
 
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