If you have $$$ then the choice is simple Benelli M2 or M3 or M4 or FN SLP. Really, just as good for less $$$ is the Mossberg 930 SPX. If you don't have the $$$ or have the $$$ and don't care about being able to shoot the fastest, then Mossberg 590 or an 870 from Scattergun Technology (insane prices) or better deal 870 from AIP Tactical.
PLEASE help me build a COMBAT SHOTGUN (seriously need some advice here fellas)
- Thread starter Smoke Screen
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Easiest COMBAT
Shotgun build would be to buy a pump shotgun from a store IN THE BOX (this is required for the "build")... open box, remove stock/receiver/mag tube assembly and the loose barrel... Partially open action, insert barrel into orifice above mag tube.... insert fully using moderate human pressure... now this is very important... twist in a clockwise rotation, the barrel retaining screw or mag tube cap (this varies with make and model) using the dynamics on the pre machined helical incline plane (this will be known as threads) to reduce the gap from bottom of screw head or mag tube cap until sufficient torque/force is attained. Do not use wrench or pliers as it may mar the finish and/or exert excessive force on barrel, receiver, mag tube, barrel retainer screw or cap and could even cause damage to the helical incline plane on mag tube and/or retaining fastener device...
Upon completion of the above steps... A kinetic test, void of multi component pre assembled projectile equipped destructive assemblies (known by lesser sophisticated individuals as "ammunition"), should be performed by applying locomotive physical activity to the moving parts that cause the functions of the various components of the combat device to complete their designed functions including pressure to the release lever retaining the thin hardened section of ferrous metal in it's compressed position to determine that all of the individual components of the combat capable projectile emitting assembled device function according to design parameters and in required harmony.
Following this extensively sophisticated functionality research and testing, The installation of the aforementioned pre-assembled projectile emitting assemblies should be performed with caution so as not to install an excessive quantity of these devices so as not to exceed the predetermined compressed length of the helical wound compression resisting cylindrical shaped pre stressed section of ferrous metal linear strip.
Now by applying locomotive physical activity to the moving parts that cause the functions of the various components of the combat device to complete their designed functions including pressure to the release lever retaining the thin hardened section of ferrous metal so it makes expedient and forceful contact with the detonation component of the projectile emitting destructive assembly, with the device directed towards an approved receiving component also known as a target, launch the projectiles in a linear fashion with high velocity motion.
While doing this repeatedly, also take this time to replace chemically formulated protective coatings from the requisite components and replace them with metallic colored exposed surfaces void of any amber or brown colored oxidized coatings on said metallic surfaces...
It will take many repetitions of the aforementioned locomotive repetitious cycles...
OKAY.... consider your self lucky... I have never used such sophistication or thorough detail to assist anyone with their combat shotgun needs!
Brent
Shotgun build would be to buy a pump shotgun from a store IN THE BOX (this is required for the "build")... open box, remove stock/receiver/mag tube assembly and the loose barrel... Partially open action, insert barrel into orifice above mag tube.... insert fully using moderate human pressure... now this is very important... twist in a clockwise rotation, the barrel retaining screw or mag tube cap (this varies with make and model) using the dynamics on the pre machined helical incline plane (this will be known as threads) to reduce the gap from bottom of screw head or mag tube cap until sufficient torque/force is attained. Do not use wrench or pliers as it may mar the finish and/or exert excessive force on barrel, receiver, mag tube, barrel retainer screw or cap and could even cause damage to the helical incline plane on mag tube and/or retaining fastener device...Upon completion of the above steps... A kinetic test, void of multi component pre assembled projectile equipped destructive assemblies (known by lesser sophisticated individuals as "ammunition"), should be performed by applying locomotive physical activity to the moving parts that cause the functions of the various components of the combat device to complete their designed functions including pressure to the release lever retaining the thin hardened section of ferrous metal in it's compressed position to determine that all of the individual components of the combat capable projectile emitting assembled device function according to design parameters and in required harmony.
Following this extensively sophisticated functionality research and testing, The installation of the aforementioned pre-assembled projectile emitting assemblies should be performed with caution so as not to install an excessive quantity of these devices so as not to exceed the predetermined compressed length of the helical wound compression resisting cylindrical shaped pre stressed section of ferrous metal linear strip.
Now by applying locomotive physical activity to the moving parts that cause the functions of the various components of the combat device to complete their designed functions including pressure to the release lever retaining the thin hardened section of ferrous metal so it makes expedient and forceful contact with the detonation component of the projectile emitting destructive assembly, with the device directed towards an approved receiving component also known as a target, launch the projectiles in a linear fashion with high velocity motion.
While doing this repeatedly, also take this time to replace chemically formulated protective coatings from the requisite components and replace them with metallic colored exposed surfaces void of any amber or brown colored oxidized coatings on said metallic surfaces...
It will take many repetitions of the aforementioned locomotive repetitious cycles...
OKAY.... consider your self lucky... I have never used such sophistication or thorough detail to assist anyone with their combat shotgun needs!
Brent
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Don't worry so much about the hardware- any reliable riot gun will do just fine, as long as it fits you. Worry about making yourself a competent shotgun shooter, then a competent gunfighter with a shotgun. Yes, there is a difference.
Wanna spend money on a fighting shotgun? Get a cheap used police trade-in riot gun, nail down the basics of safety and running the gun and then go take a 3-day shotgun class from Louis Awerbuck, Randy Cain, Clint Smith etc. That'll do you more good than all the toothy breacher muzzle devices and other shotgun gimmicks in the world.
Mindset/Skillset/Toolset, in that order, was what the old Air Force colonel said. It still applies.
lpl
Wanna spend money on a fighting shotgun? Get a cheap used police trade-in riot gun, nail down the basics of safety and running the gun and then go take a 3-day shotgun class from Louis Awerbuck, Randy Cain, Clint Smith etc. That'll do you more good than all the toothy breacher muzzle devices and other shotgun gimmicks in the world.
Mindset/Skillset/Toolset, in that order, was what the old Air Force colonel said. It still applies.
lpl
For a starter it would be hard to beat the Remington 870. I own 2 of them. One is a Remington Synthetic Police Model. The other is an Older 870 that has been parkerized and is shorter than the standard 870.
Those Saigas have caught my eye though and got the brain juices flowing.
Those Saigas have caught my eye though and got the brain juices flowing.
kaylorinhi
New member
Start with a 590A1
Then add only the minimum of accessory's to make it faster acquiring and reacquiring, does mine have a bayonet lug, yes, do I keep a bayonet attached, hell NO! That is just dumb. Knoxx recoil reduction stock and shell holder. Thats it, no other accessories. I will put an Eotec on it sooner or later. I will also put a flashlight on it at some point in time.
So here it goes:
590A1, 870, 500, 1300 or other,
stock to choice,
optic to choice,
light to choice.
Shot it alot Stationary, moving, barricade, pivots and such drills in a safe area until it is muscle memory. Use cheap target loads at first then work up to full on HD loads.
Then add only the minimum of accessory's to make it faster acquiring and reacquiring, does mine have a bayonet lug, yes, do I keep a bayonet attached, hell NO! That is just dumb. Knoxx recoil reduction stock and shell holder. Thats it, no other accessories. I will put an Eotec on it sooner or later. I will also put a flashlight on it at some point in time.
So here it goes:
590A1, 870, 500, 1300 or other,
stock to choice,
optic to choice,
light to choice.
Shot it alot Stationary, moving, barricade, pivots and such drills in a safe area until it is muscle memory. Use cheap target loads at first then work up to full on HD loads.
The Terminator
New member
Here is my 590 Mossy. I put the folding and adjustable Knoxx stock on because I have short arms, and a click down suites me just fine. I keep 2 3/4" buckshot in it, for home defense or whatever rabid animal comes around. I don't want any stray animals attacking my cats and small dogs either. I live out in the country. I like that the stock will fold in order to help handle it in a trunk or in small spaces.
There is a difference between a battle rifle and an assault rifle.
I believe the last battle rifle to be used by the U.S. Military was the M14.
Is that the same with a "combat" shotgun?
Doesn't that limit you to the Mossberg 500 being used by the Marines and the Joints Services Benelli M1014 ?
I believe the last battle rifle to be used by the U.S. Military was the M14.
Is that the same with a "combat" shotgun?
Doesn't that limit you to the Mossberg 500 being used by the Marines and the Joints Services Benelli M1014 ?
Here are a couple of the combat shotguns I've carried over the years:
The Mossberg M590 was what I carried in the Marines back in the late 80's and early 90's. Yes, it was the standard M590 and not the A1 version everybody talks about. Those came out later on.
On the bottom is the Remington M870 that I carried when I later came back into the USAF. Today they are being phased out for the Remington M870MCS but you still see a few of these guns out there.
Finally while not my guns or pics (I got these pics off the web but I forgot from where) is the Winchester 1200. Again, I carried a couple of these early on in the Marines but they were being phased out by the then new Mossberg M590. I never cared for them back then but I finally broke down and bought a police trade in Winchester Defender to give it a second chance. So far so good but the jury is still out on it.
The Mossberg M590 was what I carried in the Marines back in the late 80's and early 90's. Yes, it was the standard M590 and not the A1 version everybody talks about. Those came out later on.
On the bottom is the Remington M870 that I carried when I later came back into the USAF. Today they are being phased out for the Remington M870MCS but you still see a few of these guns out there.
Finally while not my guns or pics (I got these pics off the web but I forgot from where) is the Winchester 1200. Again, I carried a couple of these early on in the Marines but they were being phased out by the then new Mossberg M590. I never cared for them back then but I finally broke down and bought a police trade in Winchester Defender to give it a second chance. So far so good but the jury is still out on it.
Technosavant
New member
This is getting off topic, but you brought it up.
Who, EXACTLY, officially defined "battle rifle?" Seriously, I want to know. Everybody I know of is just requoting a dude who pontificated at length under a pseudonym as though he was delivering commands from on high regarding the fuzzy line between full caliber rifles and intermediate caliber rifles. I've called baloney on this, and in more than one thread on here I've asked for somebody to prove that some actual authority has made this distinction.
No proof has yet been offered.
A defensive shotgun, aside from obviously being whatever shotgun you use to defend yourself, generally seems to mean a shotgun set up with priorities being easier handling (meaning shorter barrel), ammo capacity (meaning extended magazines), and generally lacking features that have more utility for hunting and clay games but mean little to nothing if used for highly adverse interpersonal interactions (things like a mid bead, ribbed barrel, interchangeable chokes, nice wood stocks, engraving, etc.).
wncchester
New member
Look thtough a few of the SWAT type magazines and find one that has the most tacticool look and appeals to you and duplicate it. ??
IIRC, it was Jeff Cooper that defined what a battle rifle is and what an assault rifle is. I do know that Chuck Taylor held these definitions as a deciding factor as to what is one and not the other. In any case, it gives a pretty good set of definitions of what particular weapon falls into what category. But come to think of it, just who on high decided that "C-A-T" means a domestic house cat and not a dog?
I would go by U.S. Army nomenclature. If the U.S. Army didn't call it "RIFLE, BATTLE, 7.62MM, M14" Then it's not a "Battle" rifle.
As far as I know the U.S. Army nomenclature is: RIFLE, 7.62MM, M14
The nomenclature for the M16 is: RIFLE, 5.56MM, M16A2
There really is nothing about Battle/combat/assault or whatever.
As far as I know the U.S. Army nomenclature is: RIFLE, 7.62MM, M14
The nomenclature for the M16 is: RIFLE, 5.56MM, M16A2
There really is nothing about Battle/combat/assault or whatever.
Top names in the combat 12ga shotgun industry...
Depending on your budget($$$) & uses(duty, home defense, PSC, etc) I'd check into www.Wilsoncombat.com www.Vangcomp.com or Mike LaRocca.
They offer packages & services for combat room brooms.
I'd add a Knoxx stock & maybe a Surefire fore-end. Tritium or night sights are a smart pick too.
ClydeFrog
Depending on your budget($$$) & uses(duty, home defense, PSC, etc) I'd check into www.Wilsoncombat.com www.Vangcomp.com or Mike LaRocca.
They offer packages & services for combat room brooms.
I'd add a Knoxx stock & maybe a Surefire fore-end. Tritium or night sights are a smart pick too.
ClydeFrog
Smoke Screen
New member
Thanks to everyone for the awesome pics and insight. Even to the knuckleheads who didn't read the Original Post and barfed out info anyhow. Specifically looking to build a combat shotgun, already know what pump model I'm getting, just wanted to know the recommendations people who have used defensive/combat styled shotguns what accessories they'd recommend.
theblakester
New member
check out shotgunworld.com and go to the tactical/HD forum section
I'll first agree with most of the themes other posters have stressed:
You haven't stated what you want the combat shotgun for, so I'll chuck in a couple points from a "home defense" viewpoint. If this is more of a "I want one for my collection", these points may not apply:
- Keep it simple
- Develop your skills - practice practice practice
You haven't stated what you want the combat shotgun for, so I'll chuck in a couple points from a "home defense" viewpoint. If this is more of a "I want one for my collection", these points may not apply:
- A 20 gauge is going to do just fine in a home defense scenario - plenty of punch, and more controllable.
- Regularly get out your shotgun, shoot it, and regularly maintain it so you know it works when you really need it. Don't just toss it into the closet and forget about it - be a heck of a thing to reach for it and find your wife moved it to hang up clothes.
- Keep it simple.
- If you can get by with a good quality recoil pad rather than a fancy recoil reduction stock, do so.
- No fancy sights; front bead is fine