Please explain how guns are traced by authorities

FITASC said:
Yep. "Got sold at a gun show/yard sale/flea market/ wherever"...................

Sure wish they taught civics in school like they used to........
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If the weapon in question was involved in, for example, a murder, and your alibi sucks and you are somehow connected to the victim, even if you don't get convicted criminally, you may have an expensive criminal/civil proceeding along with your reputation going down the toilet...
 
So you sell a gun to a buddy who goes off the deep end and shoots another person, then disappears, leaving the gun. If you don't have paperwork, you can bet the cops are going to check with your employer to see if you were at work, your clients to see if you were actually with them, your pastor to see if you were at church, the grocery store for receipts, your bank and charge card records, etc., etc., to see if you really are telling them the truth.

I'd much rather get a bill of sale than get involved in any of that.

Especially if my car or face turns up on a surveillance camera anywhere near the crime scene when it was happening, just by coincidence.

I know all gun owners hate registration and government lists, etc., etc., as harbingers of confiscation and tyranny, but determining the ownership of guns used in crimes is a public good and is nothing to be troubled over.
 
I had a home visit from 2 Batfe special agents. They called and made an appointment at a convenient time for me. They arrived and explained that a gun I had purchased from a dealer had shown up in a crime scene. They would not tell me the crime or it's locations.

I honestly told them that I sold the gun in question to a stranger at a gun show. The stranger displayed a drivers' license and handgun permit from the same state that I live in, and paid cash. No, I have never seen him again.

They thanked me for my time and thanked me for being diligent enough to ask for a driver's license and other proof of residency. They left without leaving a business card or asking me to call them if i remembered anything else.

A very courteous and professional encounter.
 
If the weapon in question was involved in, for example, a murder, and your alibi sucks and you are somehow connected to the victim, even if you don't get convicted criminally, you may have an expensive criminal/civil proceeding along with your reputation going down the toilet...
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Sure is a lot of IF in that strawman.:rolleyes:


While you may be correct if that chain of events played out, I'm more concernend about the outrageous level of FEAR OF THE GOVERNMENT it raises.
 
You know, if it turned out that a gun of mine that I sold wound up being used by someone to commit a crime, I'd want to see that the guy got caught. And I'd want to help in any way I could.
 
I was originally not going to say anything. But, i did sell a gun to someone i knew, or thought i knew, and he did later commit a crime with it. He used it to murder his wife.
He did get caught, and is in prison, even close to 20yrs later now.
I did not get any visit, while i had purchased the gun from an ffl, it was used, not new.
Nonetheless, it has caused me a lot of grief for a long time.
 
Gunfixr ....Nonetheless, it has caused me a lot of grief for a long time.
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Sorry, but guns don't commit crimes.
It's no different than selling a car to a guy who later runs over a pedestrian while drunk.
 
Where do you get that i said guns commit crimes?
I said he used it to murder his wife, i never said it murdered his wife.
Clearly, you dont understand why i feel the way i do, so i would appreciate it if you dont assume things about me.

This response is exactly why i wasnt originally going to mention it.
 
Gunfixr Where do you get that i said guns commit crimes?
I said he used it to murder his wife, i never said it murdered his wife.
Clearly, you dont understand why i feel the way i do, so i would appreciate it if you dont assume things about me.

This response is exactly why i wasnt originally going to mention it.
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Since it seems your only role was selling him a GUN and you expressed your remorse..........it's a logical conclusion.

And you are correct, I have no idea why you feel the way you do.
 
Now have LE show up at your door looking for a gun you sold. Somehow things go from OK to bad and now you wind up under scrutiny from LE.
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Please cite all the times this has happened to you or anyone else.
 
"CA-DOJ does, indeed, maintain DROS info sent to the state is not registration"

Since the DROS has make model and serial number, date of sale, and ID of the purchaser, to say that his is not a "registration" is playing at semantics. And even if the DOJ doesn't call it "registration," I'd bet every cop in the sate does when the run the serial to see if it is "registered" to you. If the DOJ does not call it "registration," what then is it called?
 
CA-DOJ says
How do I know if my firearms need to be registered?

There is no firearm registration requirement in California except for assault weapon owners and personal handgun importers.
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http://oag.ca.gov/firearms/pubfaqs, question 26.

That same FAQ answer goes on to say
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If you purchased a handgun from a properly licensed California firearms dealer and underwent a background check via the state’s Dealer’s Record of Sale (DROS) process, a record of your handgun purchase is already on file with the Department. ...
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(and as of 2014, also long guns - the FAQ has not been updated.)

It sounds like they are talking out of both sides of their collective mouth, but technically that pair of statements is not contradictory - it is legal to own and use an un-registered (in the sense of 'not known to the State of California') firearm. Long guns (except 'assault weapons') transferred prior to 2014 did not require 'paper'.

I agree that knowing the name and address of a gun buyer, and the make, model, serial number and caliber of the gun purchased, and having that information in their Automated Firearms System database, sure sounds like registration.

The California regime is missing some 'features' that I have heard apply in some other systems: it need not be renewed and there is no requirement to notify the DOJ of a change of address. As already noted, it is not a criminal offense to have an unregistered firearm.

So, perhaps, CA means to convey 'it isn't registration as oppressive as it could be'.
 
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