Please, Do Not Support Gun Shops That Give Gun Owners A Bad Name

I was in a water hole having a beer quite a while back.The news was on,and it was about the war.
A young fellow I did not know tried opening a conversation with a racist"joke"

I told him to watch the news and notice there were all colors of faces serving this country,they all wear the same color uniform,they bleed the same color of blood,and they ask for the same momma when they die.

He said he did not mean to offend me.

I told him I was not offended,I was still the same as when I walked in..I was just trying to help him stop making a fool of himself in front of all these people.

He left. I hope maybe he learned something.


Seems like,by now,we should be so over this .
 
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Idiots Abound Everywhere

You will find racists, sexists, idiots, and generally bad people of both political stripes and genders at bars, stores, schools, businesses, government facilities etc....

Don't do business at any such place, move on and your point will have been made.
 
You will find racists, sexists, idiots, and generally bad people of both political stripes and genders at bars, stores, schools, businesses, government facilities etc....
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You say that as if there were only 2 sides to politics ...... :cool:
 
You say that as if there were only 2 sides to politics ......
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Yup--I think I have the looming upcoming Congressional debate (scheduled to begin 1-21) concerning Sen. Diane Frankestein's AWB II on the brain--The Circus in action, namely, the elephants & donkeys where it seems no other animals are permitted ;)...
 
In the '90's, I had to endure a hard-core Amway sales pitch by a gun dealer that I decided to use for a transfer. I thought to myself "what the heck did I do to have to endure this idiot and his friends swooping down on my like vultures?" Needless to say, I never stepped back into his shop.

While this was not a matter of racism or sexism, I would be equally as turned off by that. When people go to a gun shop, they want to look at guns and talk guns. How hard is that to understand?

Regarding all the zombie stuff - it's trendy and stupid. The targets don't bother me, but I saw several AR's done in "zombie" and "skull" themes. Nothing screams "mall ninja video gamer" more than an AR with zombies anodized all over it.:rolleyes:

Do the prevalence of zombie and vampire titles reflect poorly on bookstores?
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I am not of the opinion that this is is at all comparable to a gun store selling rifles with zombies all over them. First, real guns are nothing like books. A toy gun would be closer to a book. Second, if a book store had a section devoted to: how to make bombs, computer viruses, methamphetamine, poison, and various other types of criminal and anarchist endeavors, that would definitely reflect poorly on a bookstore that is trying to cater to most family oriented folks. Do you think Ford is going to come out with a new line of trucks depicting splattered zombie guts all over the front hood?
 
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Do you think Ford is going to come out with a new line of trucks depicting splattered zombie guts all over the front hood?
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THAT is a great idea! But they should bug zombies and as you drive down the road you can add real bug guts.
 
So we defend the 2nd Amendment in many cases by making analogies to the 1st Amendment, except we don't...

I think some here are missing a key factor: Antis may use the zombie gear to ridicule gunners, but it is the serious, defense against humans gear and training aids that actually scare them.

A gun shop full of zombie targets, ammo, etc would provide smugly satisfied amusement to most of the antis I know. A gun shop full of B27s, Hostage scenario photographic targets, ammo boxes marked LE Only, and books on shooting on the move or defensive tactics against multiple assailants - now that would scare them into calling their elected officials.

So, some of you are fixating on a false threat, and suggesting that some of our own should forgo their 1st Amendment rights for our collective good... or am I missing something?
 
So, some of you are fixating on a false threat, and suggesting that some of our own should forgo their 1st Amendment rights for our collective good... or am I missing something?
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The guys in the shop I was speaking about can say whatever they want whenever they want and I wouldn't think about trying to stop them. I, however, have chosen not to do business with them because of their racism and for suggesting that "someone should rape her" when speaking about someone they don't care for. I think it's bad mojo for me to give them any of my money when there are better options out there.
 
Joe_Pike

The guys in the shop I was speaking about can say whatever they want whenever they want and I wouldn't think about trying to stop them. I, however, have chosen not to do business with them because of their racism and for suggesting that "someone should rape her" when speaking about someone they don't care for. I think it's bad mojo for me to give them any of my money when there are better options out there...
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I look at the OP as a 'non-gun issue.' Just my opinion, but I think one could find a thread like this better posted in a 'General Business' section entitled:

Please, Do Not Support Businesses That Give Customers A Bad Name
 
I look at the OP as a 'non-gun issue.'
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It is a 'non-gun issue' as you say. But, how many bicycle shops have you walked into lately and heard the employees talking about an anti-gun activist and saying that "someone should rape her"? It's incredibly tasteless and is something that would tend to cause some groups to lump all gun owners into a specific stereotype, especially since it was said in a gun shop.
 
Joe_Pike,

I definitely agree with you that given the current "environment" we do not need any further negative publicity whatsoever. Guys you are talking about sound like genuine creeps no doubt...
 
Stupid is as stupid does.

It happens in all kinds of stores. My wife had to practically push me out of a Wal Mart when I took on a old fart who was making racist comments. Guys who run gun stores are no different, most good, some bad.

Speaking of guns stores, there is an LGS in South Bend called Midwest Gun Exchange. Besides having everything in shooting you could want (well, okay no reloading stuff), and a helpful and courteous staff, including females, the store is kind of like going into a "Tiffany's" for firearms. Gorgeous glass cases, displays of all sorts, beautiful place.

Live well, be safe
Prof Young
 
You're right to not do business with them, hope you tell them why, maybe they'll learn to keep their mouth shut while on the job.
 
Joe Pike, I am on your side with regard to not supporting repugnant behavior. (Edit: with the caveat that I think we the people should not support such based on our individual consciences, but I do not like the government regulating "hate speech.").

My disagreement was with Skans, over the negative impact of zombie gear.
 
But, how many bicycle shops have you walked into lately and heard the employees talking about an anti-gun activist and saying that "someone should rape her"?
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How many politicians do you see trying to ban bicycles, confiscate bicycles and put bicycle shop owners out of business? Racist and sexist remarks have no place in a business - I'm not in any way justifying this. But, you do have to recognize that people get highly emotional when their elected officials depict them as "evil" and make it their life ambition to run them out of business.

Believe me, if politicians attacked bicycle shop owners with the fervor that they do to gun businesses, you would hear things just as vile and violent coming from the owners and workers of some bicycle shops.
 
(Edit: with the caveat that I think we the people should not support such based on our individual consciences, but I do not like the government regulating "hate speech.").

My disagreement was with Skans, over the negative impact of zombie gear.
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I am not advocating outlawing "zombie guns". Personally, I think zombie stuff is trendy, comic-bookish, and childish. I simply don't like the stuff and it turns me off. I have a hard time taking any gun retailer seriously that caters to this. But, that doesn't mean I want zombie stuff banned from gun shows (the only place I really see quantities of this stuff) any more than I want the beef-jerky guy banned from gun shows.
 
And I reiterate, childish and tacky zombie stuff will get some antis to look down their noses at us and laugh. So what? They don't, already?

It's kind of like movies and literature: Freddy, Jason, Dracula, and Frankenstein are entertainingly scary because they are not real. Alpha Dog was terrifying and saddening because it was real. Which is more disturbing, to a thinking human?

So, the very things we need, as mature adults who wish to learn self defense skills, are the things that will trip out the antis. The zombie stuff is a footnote. Don't have to like it, but I would not sweat it.

I will go one further, and say that antis have been amused by my shot-up Zombie Osama target, but have not liked my hostage-taker-with-gun-to-woman's-head targets at all. (I have an anti or two in the family.)
 
And I reiterate, childish and tacky zombie stuff will get some antis to look down their noses at us and laugh. So what?
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I don't care what the antis think about zombie guns. I'm talking about me personally - I get turned off by it. If I see a dealer selling a bunch of zombie stuff - that makes me not interested in the kind of stuff they sell. When I see someone with some zombie-themed AR, zombie grips, etc. it screams "GAMER". It says (to me) " I bought this zombie-pimp-killing machine because I use the same thing when I dominate at Zombie Apocalypse...."

The bottom line is that I'm prejudiced against gamers who get into firearms just because of their video gaming. And, I see Zombie Guns as an extension of video gamers who like to live in their fantasy realms. In my "fantasy world", Gamers would remain glued to their chairs in their mom's basement playing video games and never even think about doing something real like buying and shooting guns. My perception is that many gamers can't separate fantasy from reality. My prejudice (and I'm entitled to my prejudices) has nothing to do with what antis think.
 
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