Pistols!

When I say $600, that's kinda hoping for the best, heh. Just depends on where the funds are at.

I'm going to see if me and my dad can go to my LGS sometime soon and see if that have any of those 9E's. That seems like a really good option, and I'd have the perfect Ruger-Duo! My 10/22 and my 9E :D.

About the 9E. Cleaning and Disassembly, are they hard to disassemble? How accurate are they? Do they run pretty well? If I have any more questions I'll PM you but for now, this is just the basic questions thanks again!
 
the 9E is relatively new so there isn't much on it. the E is really just a slightly cheapened version of the SR9 which has been around since 2007. the E just uses a cheaper to impliment design by using bluing on the slide instead of melonite or stainless steel and gets rid of a loaded chamber indicator, slightly different sights, and get rid of the extra mag that normally comes with SR handguns so really, it should behave quite like any other SR series handgun. if comparing to my SR9 compact, it'll shoot just as well as you can, I would say for a beginner,
4 inch groups at 7 yards. after a little practice, 4 inches at 10 yards, after a lot of practice 4 inches at 15 yards and beyond.

as for dissasembly,
lock the slide back
push the extractor pin down,
pull the take down pin
release the slide and

it's in two pieces

pull the recoil spring out from under the barrel
slide the barrel out of the slide and the gun is field stripped.
 
You can get an Rock Island .45 Mil-Spec from Centerfire Systems for $370.00.

The Mil-Spec is a step up from a GI. Good gun.
 
personally, I think you may need something smaller than 45 right now.
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I think the shootability of 9mm, over 45 is generally about grip width of the firearm. A double stack 45 is considerably wider than a double stack 9mm. If you are looking at arming a few million people that is something to consider. In OPs instance if he can grip the 45 well he is probably good to go. My opinion only.

In my signature I have a link to a first pistol thread from a while back you may want to check out.

I recommend what I always recommend if you absolutely must buy a center-fire. Buy something fairly cheap OR make sure you try it first. Most guns use about 20% of their value when they go from NIB to LNIB and more with any wear on them. Having a hi-point go from $160 to $135 is a lot less troubling then having a $1000 gun go to $800.
Not that I would choose a hi-point as my ONLY gun, just saying if you don't know what your buying don't spend a lot.
A CZ75 center-fire and Kadet 22lr set is pretty appealing as a first gun to me. Something with a 22 copy with exactly the same manual of arms or conversion available at least. There are 1911 conversions and copies available in 22lr. Eventually it will be on the shelves again. I promise.
 
MM I agree the 9e is a great choice. If you do decide to go the 1911 road, to stay authentic get the gi model but the sites are crude and the grip safety is lacking. I'd recommend the rock island tactical or equivalent. Personally like the sr9 models better then the xds.
 
If you do decide to go the 1911 road, to stay authentic get the gi model but the sites are crude and the grip safety is lacking.
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The original sights are not "crude" at all they are well designed for service and
young eyes should not have any trouble with them,one man's crude is another man's finesse.
And the grip safety is not lacking either,it is that that spring loaded part located under the hammer as you grip the pistol it releases the trigger and allows it to operate.
 
There's a Rock Island 1911 at my LGS. They're pretty good? The store owner (or somebody) told me some bad things about them. They looked like very nice guns.
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I'm very curious as to what your LGS owner told you about RIA's.
 
Hey poly take it easy. The sights are what they are and for any other purpose then battle conditions they are lacking. Use whatever term you want but let's face it, if your not looking for an authentic gi pistol what's the first thing people do? Change the sights and the grip safety.
 
Mosin, don't let the naysayers dissuade you: If you wanted a 1911 in .45, get one.

That's the way I started into handguns. I found a Charles Daly (made in the Phillipines, probably on the same machinery that Armscor makes theirs today) 1911 for about $400 ..... they are not a lot more today..... I still have it, and while not a "fine hadgun" it works, and I shoot it better than almost any other handgun ..... that 1911 trigger: even a bad one is better than maost any other.

http://www.armslist.com/posts/185717/hampton-roads-virginia-handguns-for-sale--charles-daly-1911--45

The .45 ACP is a great cartridge to learn to handload on as well .....
 
easy

The sights are what they are and for any other purpose then battle conditions they are lacking.
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It was my impression that the M1911 was a military firearm,having said that
I'm having some difficulty thinking of the other purposes that a weapon designed
for war use might conceivably have.Then again..
 
They weren't very well built, they're pretty cheap. Just get a Glock. Etc. Im still wondering what this Hi-Point is.
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Inexpensive, yes. "Cheap," no. RIAs are made by Armscor in the Philippines and comes from a state of the art facility in Luzon, outside of Manila. They are basically the suppliers to the Philippine military. All legitimate businesses in the Philippines usually have armed guards at the doors, and 98% of them carry Armscor weapons.

Another Philippine made 1911 copy comes from Shooter's Arms Manufacturing (SAM) of Cebu City, Cebu, and are sold here under the ATI brand name among others. Having examined both the SAM and Armscor guns side by side, I think the SAM guns are a little more refined insofar as fit and finish are concerned

It sounds to me like your LGS owner just has some ethnic prejudice.

Also it sounds like he wants to sell you a more expensive handgun.

I have put together 16 "shooters" so far using RIA/Armscor frames that I got from Sarco for $119.00 and all of them have been virtual drop-ins as far as parts are concerned and all of them have performed admirably for the persons for whom I made them.

Getting a frame and "making" your own 1911 might be something for you to consider.

Hi-Point is a line of large, bulky, ungainly pistols made from Zamak (i.e. pot metal, the same thing your window cranks are made of), and may rightly be called cheap as opposed to inexpensive. You can read the pros and cons of the Hi-Point in other threads.

Having had really bad experiences with four Turkish guns, I cannot recommend them. Others like them; I don't. YMMV

As teenagers in the 60s, our first pistols were .22s, and one in particular (which I still have) is a Ruger Standard with countless thousands of rounds through it. It's still a good shooter, although not very pretty anymore, and is still a lot of fun to shoot. Centerfire ammo can get expensive and .22 is not (at least when it gets back on the shelves).

My best advice is to start out with a good quality .22 which will give you a lifetime of fun, then work your way up to a CF pistol.

As always: YMMV
 
1911s and variants have been used in virtually every form of competition from bullseye to ipsc/uspsa, idpa etc. Probably the number 1 gun in all of them and little to none are using gi sights and the stock grip safety.
 
Centerfire ammo can get expensive and .22 is not (at least when it gets back on the shelves).
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At between 5 and 10 cents a round, ".22 is not (expensive)" is just not so ...... it's very expensive for what it is ......
 
At between 5 and 10 cents a round, ".22 is not (expensive)" is just not so ...... it's very expensive for what it is ......
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True for now, but mainly because of the "shortage."
 
I own a Colt M1911 manufactured and delivered to Uncle Sam in 1918. It is on display and not a shooter.

I have a recently produced Remington R-1 plain jane I paid $550.00 new from a local gun store. It was produced in the USA out of Ilion, NY.

My next 1911 will also be a Remington R-1 plain jane produced in the USA out of Huntsville, AL.

It will be neat to have one with the Ilion, NY, USA marking on the frame and one as a twin with a Huntsville, AL, USA marking on the frame.

If you disregard the lack of a lanyard loop and the large Remington roll mark it is hard to distinguish the old Colt from the R-1. They are close to identical in appearance. Many other modern 1911s look more akin to the old M1911A1s.

Do not buy an old military M1911 and/or M1911A1 as a shooter. Also do not make the mistake of buying one without doing hours and hours of research from books, the internet, and pictures as a collector item.

Original military M1911/M1911A1 are rare birds. There are plenty available in mix-matched part and refinishes. This has either happened to them while they were in Government service or afterwards. The only other desirable M1911's are the Arsenal rebuilds, but you even have to be carefully with them.

Originals will cost you many thousands and even Arsenal rebuilds as they left the Arsenal can be worth a couple of grand.

Someone mentioned Singer. If you can find one of these in original condition, then you are talking 15 to 20 grand.

You may want to even buy Mr. Clawson's book "Collector's Guide to Colt .45 Pistols Models of the 1911 and 1911A1". It alone might cost you several hundred dollars.

A correct magazine for some of the old military 1911s can cost up to a couple of hundred dollars.

Be very careful with the old ones since you can end up with a pistol not safe for firing modern ammo and at the same time not having collector appeal since they are mix-matches of parts and/or refinished.
 
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