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JimOD856

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I applied for my firearms ID card and my handgun purchase permit about 2 weeks ago. I only wanted one gun, but now I think I want another one. Does anyone know if I have to wait until I get the first permit or can I file another permit to purchase?? This is all very confusing. Any info would be very helpful. Thanks all.

Jim O.



By the way I am in New Jersey!!!!









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You can ask your local agency for another one. Its at the discretion of the chief of police to approve additional permits. They may make you fill out another copy of the permit to purchase and change the # of permits requested on the top of the form. Also, being NJ has the "one gun a month" law, IF they do give you more than one, the second will be post dated. Some jurisdictions just plain won't issue more than one permit to purchase a handgun, per filing. (like my home town) even though the State Police will issue several at a time, all post dated.
 
Also, being NJ has the "one gun a month" law, IF they do give you more than one, the second will be post dated. Some jurisdictions just plain won't issue more than one permit to purchase a handgun, per filing. (like my home town) even though the State Police will issue several at a time, all post dated.
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I am always stunned by states that require people to get permission before buying a handgun, and who limit when you can buy them.
 
I think the permit to purchase a handgun is a good idea. It's an extra layer of scrutiny and in MN it has kept handguns away from some who shouldn't have them but would have passed through the federal background check. It also forces you to meet your local police to get the permit, something many unstable individuals simply won't do. It also stops that impulse rage purchase.
You have to do it right though. In MN it's a permit to purchase handguns, not a permit for a gun. You apply for the permit, takes about 2 weeks to get, and then you're golden. You walk into a store and see a gun you like, show your permit, give them the money, and you get to leave with your new gun. No hassles, no waiting. Permit is good for a year and you can renew it before it expires so you never have a null period. Cost? Nothing, It's a free service to the public by your local friendly police department. What's to complain about? I'm a huge supporter of firearms and nobody wants to see them kept away from the bad guys more than me. Very little hassle for a little extra security.
 
I think the permit to purchase a handgun is a good idea. It's an extra layer of scrutiny and in MN it has kept handguns away from some who shouldn't have them but would have passed through the federal background check. It also forces you to meet your local police to get the permit, something many unstable individuals simply won't do. It also stops that impulse rage purchase.
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So Minnesota doesn't have any bad guys with guns??? No Gun Crime, Not Gangs?????????????

I think not, that crap don't work.

While were at it, lets require a permit to practice freedom of Speech, or Religion. How about having a permit before we can exercise our 4th & 5th Amend. Rights.

Yeah Wyoming has requirements to buy a Gun too, here we call it MONEY. I don't need permission from anyone, let alone the local police department. I go to the store, see something I like, haggle to get the price I want, fill out the FED 4473, quick phone NCIC check (unless I have a CC permit then no NCIC check) and walk out with the gun.

Look at this scenario: John Jones runs for sheriff. I don't like Jones so I campaign for and vote for Sam Smith. Jones wins the election........I sure he'll forget all about me campaigning for Smith when I go to him for "permission to buy a pistol".

All one has to do is read the newspapers or watch the news to know that all the "permit and permission" BS doesn't stop gun crime. I would be willing to bet that Minn has a bit more (per capital) gun crimes then Wyoming.

Yeah getting permission to buy gun sure works doesn't it.

Sorry about high jacking the tread, but I just had to respond to that quote.
 
So Minnesota doesn't have any bad guys with guns???
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... never said anything like that, not even close.

What I did say is that the extra level of scrutiny did result in stopping some sales that would have gone through the federal check but shouldn't have (about 160 last year I think it was). Never said it caught everything. What I also said is I can't see where anyone would object to this extra level if done this way. What's your issue with it? It doesn't cost anything, Once you do it that one time, there are no delays, there are no monthly limits, 1 time a year you renew it (just fill out a form) and it's still free. What's the big deal? I have to question whether the goofball in AZ would have been able to even go into his police dept to apply for the permit. I don't think he would have made it. Anything that helps keep a gun away from a bad guy does us all a favor (I haven't seen any positive press in the news yet with respect to handguns).

btw - per capita crime tends to go with dense populations and large cities. When Wyoming gets some cities as large as Mpls/St Paul, Chicago, New York, etc ... then lets talk per capita crime. Exclude the Twin cities metro area and WY is no better than MN on the stats anymore.
 
I am always stunned by states that require people to get permission before buying a handgun, and who limit when you can buy them.
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I am always stunned by people who think that is a good idea.
 
What I did say is that the extra level of scrutiny did result in stopping some sales that would have gone through the federal check but shouldn't have (about 160 last year I think it was).
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OK maybe then you can produce some legit stats that show the permit system has prevented any crimes. I don't mean someone rejected on the NCIC check, I mean actual crimes prevented by permits.
 
As a NJ resident with nearly a dozen guns, half of them handguns, it really burns my balls that I have to ask permission from the government or any of its agencies before I buy or sell handguns. It's a ridiculous system that has done nothing to reduce crime in NJ... the only thing it has done is create mountains of paperwork for prospective gun owners and the LEOs who have to process their applications. And, of course, a bit of income from fees to feed the bureaucratic monstrosity in Trenton.

This is a very anti-gun state. There are municipalities where it is effectively impossible to obtain the necessary ID and permits because the Chief of Police simply refuses to issue them. Even in the gun-friendly (relatively speaking) places, the requirements are obscene- you have to provide character witnesses as though you were on trial for a crime, your permit application may be denied if you're currently unemployed. When you apply for your Firearms Purchaser ID, you have to be interrogated by a detective before they'll sign anything off, get fingerprinted and put in the system...

Bad guys don't have the patience for paperwork, and they sure as hell aren't going to ask the police very nicely before they buy and carry their weapons. No offense, pgdion, but I'm glad as hell that you don't hold public office.
 
pgdion said:
I think the permit to purchase a handgun is a good idea. It's an extra layer of scrutiny and in MN it has kept handguns away from some who shouldn't have them but would have passed through the federal background check. It also forces you to meet your local police to get the permit, something many unstable individuals simply won't do. It also stops that impulse rage purchase.
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Where does the 2nd Amendment provide for ANY of that?

To borrow a well-used phrase, what part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand?
 
Welcome to The Firing Line, JimOD856!

I don't know enough about NJ handgun law to answer the question, but perhaps you can find it here: http://www.handgunlaw.us/

Offhand, I'm not sure if that site deals with general handgun law, or only concealed carry information. Still, it's a good site with good info. You might also consider browsing down in Law and Civil Rights for more information.
 
It’s impossible to say you prevented a crime, it’s only possible to see that you did not. And then when something does happen, it will be all over the media, ‘why were they allowed to do this’, ‘why didn’t someone do that’, 'how was this person allowed to get a gun' …. ‘Take everyones guns away and then we’ll be safe’.

As far as stats, obviously the only ones that are available is the number rejected because of the additional background check. As far as the second amendment, where does it say criminals shouldn’t own guns? Are you suggesting felons should be able to buy guns because the second amendment does not state they shouldn’t??? c’mon, get real here. Not everything is about the constitution, you have to apply some rational thinking too.:cool:
 
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Are you suggesting felons should be able to buy guns because the second amendment does not state they shouldn’t??? c’mon, get real here.
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It's only relatively recently that felons were prohibited from owning guns. With the phenomeum of "felony creep", felons are not only violent people or those convicted of the most heinous crimes, but those convicted of "crimes" that not so long ago didn't exist or were, at most, misdemeanors. I don't think that anyone here can make the case that Martha Stewart is such danger to society she must not possess a weapon.
 
MN permit to carry (concealed or open) is good for 5 years and does include purchase. We are a shall issue state so it goes through the county sherrif's department pretty quickly. Mine took 3 days way back when.

Permit to purchase is different in that it goes through local departments and has to be issued or denied in 7 days BUT there are no teeth in the law so the 7 days can get stretched out.

Only needed for handguns not long guns BTW.

NICS is federal so yes the paperwork still needs to be filled out and called in etc.
 
I am sooooooo glad I live in a state that doesn't have all that crap to get
a pistol permit. I had to appear in person the first time I applied in order
to have a picture taken. I won't have to appear in person for 5 years.
My permit is mailed to me each year for renewal. How easy is that?
 
Not everything is about the constitution,
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Maybe not everything but most things that apply to human rights and dignity is. "Not everything is about the Constitution" is the line judicial activists use when they go cherry picking this sacred document. Whereas Constitution tampering judges will argue that the Founding Fathers couldn't have had an AR-15 in mind when they composed the Second Amendment because there were no "assault rifles" around back then, but, yet, somehow those same divinely inspired writers knew what a school bus was going to be.
Those who have the mindset that restrictions on honest citizens buying firearms is a good thing, in the false belief that a little inconvenience on their part is worth it in order to help control crime, are going to have a rude awakening someday when a knock comes to their door in the middle of the night. Too late they will come to understand what the rest of us already know: anti-gun (read anti-Second Amendment) politicians aren't interested in keeping guns from the hands of criminals; they want to take guns away from you.
Wake up America! Your very liberty is at stake here.
 
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