Pistol Grip Shotguns

I have one of these:
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=179485 (Idon't endorse sportsmans guide, by the way...a terrible company I will never deal with again)
--on my Mossberg 500, and like it alot. In use, it is like shooting a standard buttstock, and handles recoil much better than the regular pistol grips.
It can be used from the hip, but I usually hold it in a raised mid-high ready position. It points very intuitively. I have the Hogue overmolded fore-end so I can get a good solid bracing grip on the front.
Of course, I have regular buttstock as well, and can configure my shotgun however I want, but around the house, the speedfeed is on it. This grip is also great for the Mossberg, since it does not impede the use of the top-mounted safety.
 
THE CLOSER THE ENEMY IS TO YOU, THE MORE THE CHANCE OF MISSING. At ten feet our pattern with 00 buck is only about 3" at 20 feet it is about 6", it is not hard to miss with this size pattern.
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As Hank says, country boys was raised on shotguns. If I can't hit center mass pretty much EVERY TIME at 10 and 20 ft with a my pg shotgun, I'll donate all of my shotguns to charity. Nevertheless, given the time, distance, and opportunity to properly aim, I would definitely want the regular gunstock shotgun. (Granted, a quickly moving target would hinder my success, but movement is always a pain for shooters who are used to targets that have a bullseye to aim for and a cooperative target that stays put!)


Pg shotguns are not totally useless - they have a few niches where they are handy. Of course, knowing how to hold them and how to shoot them is part of the problem. But this type of problem is also true when you hand a rookie a 44 magnum (or Desert Eagle 50). I choose to have both stocked and pg just as a matter of convenience.



manueverabilaty (is that spelled right)
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No, but that is an honorable attempt - it certainly elevates you to a higher plateau than a "homie"!
 
forgive my ignorance... why on earth would any one want to shoot any gun from the hip?
if the pattern is approx 3" to 6" or even a 12" spread at 20 feet, why wouldnt you be aiming?

the only way i would ever hip shoot or just "point" any weapon is if the target is a couple of feet away or in a anti-mob/gang(crowd control?) defensive move....

i happen to love pistol grips, seems to help me keep the weapon in a tight pattern....
 
forgive my ignorance... why on earth would any one want to shoot any gun from the hip?
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1. Ignorance- they've never really shot the thing and don't know any better (but probably have taken many pictures of it)
2. Mall Ninjaness (tactikewlality)
3. They don't have a stock (PGO shotgun) and have no other option that doesn't involve taking the butt of the receiver between the teeth after every shot

if the pattern is approx 3" to 6" or even a 12" spread at 20 feet, why wouldnt you be aiming?
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See above
 
For close range HD a pistol grip shotgun fits the bill. I have a Mossberg 500 with a Knoxx recoil reducing pistol grip. My technique is to point shoot while holding the shotgun with the grip to the side of my right pectoral (I'm right handed).

You need to resist the tendency to raise the muzzle and let your body do what it does naturally, point to the object you're looking at. With some practice you can hit center of mass consistently out to 25 yards which is well within the range of a typical HD encounter which is more like 3 ~ 10 yards.
 
Southern Rebel

As Hank says, country boys was raised on shotguns. If I can't hit center mass pretty much EVERY TIME at 10 and 20 ft with a my pg shotgun, I'll donate all of my shotguns to charity.
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I'm not talking about ambushing some poor ground squirrel standing there with a startled look on it's face. I am talking about center punching a human at 10 to 12 feet in the 3/4s of a second you have left before he does it to you. And by the way if you DON'T make that shot, it will be your next of kin that donates your scatterguns to charity, not you.

I am a country boy, and I learned early in life that seeing the bead wins most of the time, sorry Hank.
 
SGB knows of what he speaks and I will add a little touch of drivel to it... It isn't that you have 3/4 seconds to get off a tuff shot but you need to already be back on target before the first shell hits the floor! In a 2 handed "mounted" stance of many positions with gobs of practice and training you will not only be able to remain on target but you will be able to do this while making forward and rearward motion as well as side to side and combinations of these. You will also have a very firm and stable posture that will be very balanced thus avoiding being off kilter...
Look for the latest poll I am starting...
Brent
 
I could make the shot "SGB" describes with my set up, and make a quick follow up, all using full power 00 buck.

Anyone who choses to defend themselves should practice with their chosen weapon(s). Those who chose the PG shotgun, know it's limitations and tecniques for proper use, and practice, can be very fast and accurate. The speed feed chickenhead grip I use is almost in another catagory, it handles recoil so well. It also lends itself to point shooting much better. This grip is nearly identical in concept to the ones used by the Secret Service in their witness protection shotgun.
 
recoil

Slightly off the topic but
recoil management at about 80 Ft Lbs of felt recoil for defensive rounds,
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What rounds are those that will produce 80 ft.lbs of free recoil in, let's say, a six pound gun.?
I know the recoil is high but that seems like a lot. A normal one ounce load is at 32 ft.lbs - and tough enough to shoot with a PGO.
Pete
 
Pete

You are absolutely right, as usual my fingers don't type what my mind is thinking.:o I agree that some where in the range of 40 ft lbs of felt recoil is more in line with fighting loads.

thanks, Bob
 
I am talking about center punching a human at 10 to 12 feet in the 3/4s of a second you have left before he does it to you.
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Hmmm.................Just sitting here wondering just HOW MANY humans you have center punched i 3/4 seconds in your lifetime.

Different human beings have different shooting abilities (and also different physiological reactions to extreme stress apparently). I stand by my original statement - in a 3/4 second encounter, I will put the lead into your human at 10 feet a lot quicker than you will - unless of course are walking around with your magical shoulder-mounted stock already mounted and pointed in the right direction.

If you have to aim at 10 ft, it would indicate you have not had a lot of practice shooting a pg shotgun. (I would still admit to preferring a regular stock if and when I have the time and the distance is more of a challenge.)
 
It really annoys me when webrats decend to insult because others don't agree with their dogma.
If a pistol grip shotgun isn't to your needs or abilities, that is fine. But it does happen to fill a niche for me. Such shotguns have been used for a century by some folks who know a thing or two about self defense.
 
BUY A STOCK!!! Please do yourself a favor. I'm 19 and not exactly what you'd call weak and I can barely hold on to my grandpaw's Mossy 500 PGO in 12ga.

I was shooting slugs and the daggum thing nearly hit me in the chest every time. Its the only gun I can say with out a doubt that I thoroughly did not enjoy shooting.

Now my grandpaw is about 6'6" and 260 so it doesn't bother him nearly as much but unless you want to carry this shotgun in the car with you I thin the best way to go is to slap a stock on there.
 
I have a stock. I also have a Remington Model 11 riot gun, a shining example of John Brownings brilliance.
Yet, the pistol gripped shotgun has it's uses for me as well. Again, if you can't handle it, or don't feel you need it, don't buy one. But don't tell me I shouldn't have one, or that they can't be fired accurately, or that they are useless. Perhaps those descriptions apply to you, but not to me.
 
i'm still trying to get some idea of where pistol grip shotgun denial comes from... if i look at the two "tac style" firearms i have, they almost have the same ergonomic profile... one AR and one win 1300 defender...

has this forum ever discussed hip shooting ARs with accuracy?

just a thought...


cheers!
 
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Jammin', I have little conflict with those who prefer a long arm with an AR style separate PG.

I do better, at least with shotguns, with the classic stock design. If I decide to buy the Saiga here on extended T&E loan, I may get the conversion done and compare splits just to see how a separate PG helps or hinders.

I do, repeat, do, have issues with those who claim to be Death Walking with a shotgun sans any stock.

BTDT, got the T shirt and the coffee mug.

I KNOW how much more effort and training achieving minimum proficiency with a stockless shotgun takes. From what some people allege on the Net concerning their performances, I take any input with a grain of salt.

Heck, sometimes I'm wanting hipboots, it gets so deep.
 
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