Pietta Or Uberti ?

My preferences are:

Finish
1) Case Hardened Frame - very nice looking.
2) Blued Frame - Most historically accurate.
3) Nickel Frame
4) Stainless Frame - While practical it does not fit with my historical fanaticism.

Manufacturer
1) Cimmaron - best fit an finish - made with Uberti parts
2) Uberti - Pietta Tied but Pietta is cheaper, Would have to compare a Uberti 58 to my Pietta 58 as for looks. I have Uberti made SAAs and they are nice but not see a 58
3) Armi San Marco - I have a SAA made by them from EMF and the fit and finish was excellent but it is hard to get parts for them since they are no longer in business.
4) Ruger Old Army - Made well and very strong but only vaguely resemble a 58 Rem. If you don't want to be historically accurate then it is a good gun.

For $199 I would get the Pietta. I got mine from Cabelas about 10 - 12 yrs ago and it is great. I think I paid about $160 back then.
 
Here's a comparison between the 1858 Pietta that does not dovetail the front sight and loading lever catch stud under the barrel, vs the 1858 Uberti dovetailed ones. Uberti on the left and Pietta on the right.
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I don't recall any of the originals having dovetails. Someone correct me if I am wrong.
 
They also didn't use non-corrosive caps or BP substitute. I like non-corrosive caps, use Pyrodex out of necessity, and prefer dovetail front sights for what should be obvious reasons. It's all a matter of personal preference. :)
 
The 1863 version of the 1858 (which is what we buy today) came with a screw in blade, not a dovetail. I believe, though, that the change from dovetail to screw in front sight was the last one made to the revolver.

A case might be made that the dovetail is authentic because Remington, like most other gun makers, didn't make a hard transition from one style to another. The company used up its supply of old parts first, so it seems reasonable to assume that there were at least a few dovetailed New Model Armies out there.
 
Thinking about getting the Cabelas 1858 that is on sale for $199
Does anyone know when the sale ends ?
Also anyone have a Cabelas coupon code they are not going to use ?
 
I don't think...

...even Cabela's knows when the Cabela's sale will end. The people who answer the phone when you call them, will only say that the sale will run until the supply is exhausted.
 
Here's a prime example for newbies of what to steer away from.

Go to this link and read the description for this 1863 baby Remy.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=214546000

Notice how the seller said...."THIS GUN IS IN MINT CONDITION, NOT A MARK ON IT. 100% EXCELLENT IN EVERY WAY"

Yet even without blowing the photos up, I can clearly see at least some ringing on the cylinder and dings on the leading edges of the cylinder slots. Nothing that it wouldn't get from normal usage, but hardly mint condition and definitely with marks on it. So seller's description was untrue.

Then notice seller charges $25.00 for shipping and insur. But you could send that tiny BP revolver in a USPO "if it fits it ships" box for about $5.00 and insurance is usually only about $1.00 per hundred of insurance. So that means shipping really only costs the seller about $7.00, so he is making an extra $18.00 profit by overcharging for shipping.

Then there's the fact that Cabelas has this revolver on sale right now for $200.00 and this used, ringed and dinged one is already up to $180.75 by bidders who don't know any better. That's why I'm posting this example so newbies here WILL know better.

Sure it has a little holster with it that you wouldn't get with the one at Cabelas. But that doesn't make up for the untrue description and overcharged shipping costs.



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I wouldn't call it ringed and dinged. Yeah it's been turned a time or two but methinks you're splitting hairs on the description. There's nothing about the condition of the gun that would put me off and if it was cheap enough to offset the shipping I'd go for it if I wanted one.
 
Hawg, a brand new one at Cabelas is on sale right now for $200.00 so this one ISN'T cheap enough to offset the overcharged shipping fees.
and this one is already up to $180.75 and may go higher by bidders who don't know any better. By buying a new one from Cabelas if anything was wrong with it you could take it back even if it took you a month before you discovered a problem with it. With this one you get a 3 day inspection and if problems, have to pay to ship it back and then wait and hope the seller sends your money back.

And it isn't the slight ring and cylinder slot dings on the cylinder. I acknowledged in my post that you would get that very fast from just normal operating.

It's the fact that the seller said it was "mint condition" and "didn't have a mark on it" and also overcharges (A LOT) for shipping. That's what is the point and that's what I was warning newbies to watch out for. If a seller is untrue with the description and then ALSO overcharges a lot on shipping, that is an example of one for newbies to learn to steer away from.
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I like the Uberti better, I've had the Pietta Remingtons and Colts as well as the Ubertis. I don't care for the stampings Pietta uses on the barrels, also the newer Ubertis use forged frames. I know cast steel is strong enough for black powder but I like the fact that the Ubertis are forged anyway. The Ubertis are about 1/3 more in cost but it's worth it to me. Neither are perfect.:)
 
Hawg, a brand new one at Cabelas is on sale right now for $200.00 so this one ISN'T cheap enough to offset the overcharged shipping fees.
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I understand that, its why I said if.:D
 
Ya got me there Hawg. Now if Bill Clinton was here, he'd be saying "It's all according to what your definition of "IF" is." :D


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My contribution at this point is very minimal

I only want to register my agreement with Bill on the point of the shipping.

A Walker can be shipped to any ZIP code for 15.00 including $400.00 in insurance. In conus it will arrive in two to three days.

For those sellers who want to make more on their revolvers, tack it onto the price of the revolver. Don't hide it in the shipping.

OR

If the shipping really costs $30.00. provide an enhancement in the shipping that makes it worth twice the price. For example - "$30.00 Overnight" Having to drive to the post office is not valid, because the letter carrier will pick up flat rate boxes for no charge. And flat rate boxes can be order and delivered to the sender's door for free.

Many consider only the final cost of the revolver including the charge for shipping which of course is a very valid approach and one I do not propose to criticize in any way. To me it is the principle of the thing.
 
That used and lightly ringed and lightly dinged 1863 baby Remy on gunbroker that I warned about sold for $211.00 plus $25.00 shipping, total= $236.00
when a brand new unused, unringed, undinged one is on sale at Cabelas for $200.00 plus tax. Go figure. It's bidders not knowing any better. Hopefully with all the good advice at this forum, that won't happen to our members.



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So I went to a local Stealer that had 2 brand new Traditions Piettas.
Are the ones sold under Traditions seconds ?
I ask because they where not well made at all :barf:
One was a 5.5' .36 cal 1858, other was a Brass framed 8" 1858
On both; Actions were stiff and sticky, Wood to metel fit was bad, Ramrod levers were stiff and the end of the plungers were they contact the balls was rough and contacted the Cylinders, Blueing was not great.
Pistol's when cocked, the hammers would not always catch, then when you pulled the trigger they were sluggish to fire.
Maybe these were NOS
Now I'm leaning back to the Uberti
 
Every company makes a percentage of lemons, seconds & booboos.
Even Midway recently sold some Uberti factory refurb's. that were probably from their warranty repair dept.
There wouldn't be any refurb's if there weren't some returns or booboos to begin with. :)
 
well i ordered a 58 from cabela's last night. wanted one for a long time and it finally occurred to me to just buy the darn thing. My dad has a 60 army that he bought a long time ago from cabela's that is a blast to shoot. Can't wait till the 58 gets hear. i got the pistol and a starter kit for 249 plus shipping which i figured was good since right now i don't have any black powder stuff like powder measures or flasks. So do .454 round balls generally shoot well out these pistols or do most get better results with .457 balls?
 
WW

The set will get you started but you will still need powder and caps.

Don't forget hearing and eye protection (Which you probably already have.)
 
yea i need to find caps and powder. this stupid town doesn't have any sporting goods stores so ill have to go to the next town over to find some triple f or pyrodex or something.
 
WyomingWhitetail said:
So do .454 round balls generally shoot well out these pistols or do most get better results with .457 balls?
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With the Pietta 1858's, I think that it's split about 50/50 between using .451 and .454 balls.
The .451 balls will have the smallest of a lead ring shaved from them on loading.
Using a loading press makes the loading of larger balls easier.
Accuracy may be a little better with the larger .454 balls at the sacrifice of loading ease.
Then there are inexpensive loading stands that hold the revolver upright while being loaded.
The Uberti's tend to favor loading the larger .454 & .457 balls.
The Ruger Old Army uses .457 balls.
 
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