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Performance: .44 Mag 4" vs 10mm Auto 4.6" (Glock 20)?
- Thread starter Para Bellum
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2 reasons off the top of my head:
1) Encounter while rifle is slung or has been put down. A friend got surprised by a boar once, in that scenario. Got lucky, by his own admission, with a .44Mag headshot while running and dodging.
2) Wounded boar retreats into heavy brush. Some places, it is very hard to move with a long gun.
1) Encounter while rifle is slung or has been put down. A friend got surprised by a boar once, in that scenario. Got lucky, by his own admission, with a .44Mag headshot while running and dodging.
2) Wounded boar retreats into heavy brush. Some places, it is very hard to move with a long gun.
I also own both guns, a 4 inch Model 29 and Glock 20. I'd probably choose the Model 29 for hunting. You won't be able to make use of the extra capacity of the G20 and even a moderate .44 Magnum load should be a better stopper than the 10mm.
10mm might be able to get to 1,100 to 1,200 fps with a 200 grain bullet. A .44 magnum should be able to reach about 1,000 to 1,100 fps with a 240 grain bullet from a 4 inch barrel.
My 180 grain handloads are usually 180 grains at about 1,200 fps. My mid-range 240 grain .44 mags chronograph at 1,050 fps from a 4 inch barrel. I'd bet a 200 grain .44 magnum could reach 1,300 - 1,400 fps even from a short barrel without much effort.
10mm might be able to get to 1,100 to 1,200 fps with a 200 grain bullet. A .44 magnum should be able to reach about 1,000 to 1,100 fps with a 240 grain bullet from a 4 inch barrel.
My 180 grain handloads are usually 180 grains at about 1,200 fps. My mid-range 240 grain .44 mags chronograph at 1,050 fps from a 4 inch barrel. I'd bet a 200 grain .44 magnum could reach 1,300 - 1,400 fps even from a short barrel without much effort.
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Why so much anger?
"Because it's America, and he can? Tell me why it would bothers you so much? "
I didn't say it bothers me, why are YOU so bothered by my question?
I'm just being realistic. I'm walking around with a far superior weapon IN MY HANDS. In order to use a hand gun I have to either sling the rifle, that may still be kind of in the way or I have to but the rifle down. All this in order to use an INFERIOR weapon. Let me put this even more simply for you; It will take much longer to get to a handgun in a holster than to just use the rifle that you are already carrying.
"Because it's America, and he can? Tell me why it would bothers you so much? "
I didn't say it bothers me, why are YOU so bothered by my question?
I'm just being realistic. I'm walking around with a far superior weapon IN MY HANDS. In order to use a hand gun I have to either sling the rifle, that may still be kind of in the way or I have to but the rifle down. All this in order to use an INFERIOR weapon. Let me put this even more simply for you; It will take much longer to get to a handgun in a holster than to just use the rifle that you are already carrying.
Ricky, you may keep the rifle in hand at all times. Not all of us do.
Some of us sling them while covering ground.
Others may have them in horse or ATV scabbards.
Even those who carry them might set them down in order to eat, climb a stand, answer calls of nature, etc.
If the rifle is in hand, use it. It won't always be in hand, though, at least for some of us.
Some of us sling them while covering ground.
Others may have them in horse or ATV scabbards.
Even those who carry them might set them down in order to eat, climb a stand, answer calls of nature, etc.
If the rifle is in hand, use it. It won't always be in hand, though, at least for some of us.
The 4" 44Mag is the ticket, but be prepared for a loud muzzle blast and stout recoil. A 5.5" Blackhawk in an El Paso Cross Draw holster would be excellent and both are less expensive than the S&W. A 10mm is not a 41Mag in any sense of the word. My 41s regularly post 1300 with 210s at the chrony.
Geauxtide mentions a real problem with magnum handguns.
The massive noise and flash can blind and deafen you at sunrise,sunset or nighttime.
You'll be looking for that big ugly grunting six hundred to a thousand pound eating machine temporarily blind and deaf while he puts on his bib and comes at you.
You need to rent and shoot each gun to see which one you are better at shooting.
Only that Glock in 10mm is as good as the Smith and Ruger magnum handguns.
If it was'nt the Glock 10mm then I'd go with the Smith or Ruger magnums.
Great thing about the Glock 10mm is you can miss and still have a heck of alot of firepower down the pipe.
That means you might fire earlier when the animal is farther away.
Remember this is internet advise.
It's your life-you carry what you are willing to gamble your life on.
Don't forget the bear pepper spray either.
The massive noise and flash can blind and deafen you at sunrise,sunset or nighttime.
You'll be looking for that big ugly grunting six hundred to a thousand pound eating machine temporarily blind and deaf while he puts on his bib and comes at you.
You need to rent and shoot each gun to see which one you are better at shooting.
Only that Glock in 10mm is as good as the Smith and Ruger magnum handguns.
If it was'nt the Glock 10mm then I'd go with the Smith or Ruger magnums.
Great thing about the Glock 10mm is you can miss and still have a heck of alot of firepower down the pipe.
That means you might fire earlier when the animal is farther away.
Remember this is internet advise.
It's your life-you carry what you are willing to gamble your life on.
Don't forget the bear pepper spray either.
ihuntzombies
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My hunting sidearm is a g20L ( lonewolf long slide) with a Kkm precision 6" barrel. I take 3 mags of 200 gr doubletap hardcast handloads with me. The chamber on the Kkm barrel is supported much better than the factory glock barrel and allows me to load hotter rounds safely.
I put it together simply as a hunting sidearm and it works perfectly.
I put it together simply as a hunting sidearm and it works perfectly.
why bother with a heavy rifle?
From my M20 I could launch 220g bullets at 1200fps, 200g at near 1400, and 180s past 1500fps.
In my (preferred) 5.5" 44 Redhawk I can launch 300g lead (Beartooth and Cast Performance) and Swift A-Frame and Hornady XTP-HP jacketed bullets near 1400fps; what was the question?
From my M20 I could launch 220g bullets at 1200fps, 200g at near 1400, and 180s past 1500fps.
In my (preferred) 5.5" 44 Redhawk I can launch 300g lead (Beartooth and Cast Performance) and Swift A-Frame and Hornady XTP-HP jacketed bullets near 1400fps; what was the question?
The G20 is a great pistol and you can get a bullet moving along at a pretty good clip with it. It is a much more friendly hip rider that any steel 4" 44mag. If you have an extra $900+ lying around, you can pick up a S&W329pd which will give you a 31oz solution.
Pretty hard to get much above the 900ft/lb range with a 4" 44mag, but the wheelgun allows all sorts of bullet types and profiles.
Pretty hard to get much above the 900ft/lb range with a 4" 44mag, but the wheelgun allows all sorts of bullet types and profiles.
You and I are pretty much the same size. I would go with a revolver b/c I am more accurate and hunting ammo is much better for a revolver like a .44. I always carry a revolver along with my rifle. i alternate between a 4 5/8 blackhawk in .45 Colt and a 6" S&W 629. I carry both in a crossdraw holster which keeps it from hitting my rifle and it is much easier to sit with a crossdraw. try the crossdraw, I think you will be happy with it.
SW has brought back the 10mm revolver I think.
No, they have discontinued it again. The 310 Night Guard was their latest 10mm revolver and while it is still listed on their web page, Lipsey's shows it as discontinued and Davidson's no longer lists it.
I have a 629 "Trail Boss" with the ported 3" barrel. With the older 320 gr. Cor Bon loads (the current ones are slower), I got about 1050 fps over the chrono. My friend with a 4" 629 Mountain Gun averaged closer to 1125 fps with that load.
I once hit a very large hog with several 225 gr. bullets from my 338 rifle (two in the boiler room) and it kept charging. I would feel better about the 44 than a 10mm but the 10mm would probably handle most situations.
There's also the 460 Rowland conversion from Brownells, if you already have a 1911.
I once hit a very large hog with several 225 gr. bullets from my 338 rifle (two in the boiler room) and it kept charging. I would feel better about the 44 than a 10mm but the 10mm would probably handle most situations.
There's also the 460 Rowland conversion from Brownells, if you already have a 1911.
UpstateGlocker
New member
+1 on the posts re: muzzle flash and sound from a short barreled 44Mag. Its easy to compare statistics on the Internet, but if you are seriously weighing two choices for field use you should include the fact that in a dawn/dusk/night confrontation, when using a 4-5" barreled 44Mag, after your first shot, you won't be able to see anything. Everyone talks about multiple rounds and ammo capacity, but what good will it do you if you can't see what you are shooting at? The 10mm G20 is less powerful, but if I have the prospect of a low light confrontation I will pick the gun with less muzzle blast and give up some ft.lbs. for being able to see what I'm trying to hit.
Ruger Alaskan
I never go into the woods without my Ruger Alaskan in 44 mag. I've dropped a 110 pound hog with her this season at about 15 yards. I've shot Ruger revolvers my entire life and I absolutely love this one. Nice full size rubber grips really handle the recoil. It is exceptionally noisy, but incredibly accurate for a snubby, not to mention the cool factor is out of this world.
I never go into the woods without my Ruger Alaskan in 44 mag. I've dropped a 110 pound hog with her this season at about 15 yards. I've shot Ruger revolvers my entire life and I absolutely love this one. Nice full size rubber grips really handle the recoil. It is exceptionally noisy, but incredibly accurate for a snubby, not to mention the cool factor is out of this world.