Paris is Burning - Muslims running wild

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Paris Rioters Burn Ambulance and Stone Medics

Saturday, November 05, 2005

ACHERES, France — More than 250 predominantly Muslim youths were arrested in Paris' suburbs Saturday during the ninth straight day of rioting—and the worst day of arson—since the riots began more than a week ago.

Youths armed with gasoline bombs moved from Paris' poor, troubled suburbs to shatter the calm of higher-class towns, torching roughly 900 vehicles, a nursery school and other targets.

Police deployed small teams of officers backed by a helicopter to track and chase down youths who sped from one attack to another in cars and on motorbikes.

The violence — originally concentrated in neighborhoods northeast of Paris with large immigrant populations — is forcing France (search) to confront anger long-simmering in its suburbs, where many Africans and their French-born children live on society's margins, struggling with unemployment, poor housing, racial discrimination, crime and a lack of opportunity.

Triggered by the deaths of two teenagers who were electrocuted while fleeing from police, the unrest has taken on unprecedented scope and intensity. The violence hit far-flung corners of France on Saturday, from Rouen in Normandy (search) to Bordeaux in the southwest to Strasbourg (search) near the German border, but the Paris region has borne the brunt.

In quiet Acheres, on the edge of the St. Germain forest west of the capital, arsonists burned a nursery school, where part of the roof caved in, and about a dozen cars in four attacks over an hour that the mayor said seemed "perfectly organized."

Children's photos clung to the blackened walls, and melted plastic toys littered the floor. Residents gathered at the school gate demanded that the army be deployed or suggested that citizens band together to protect their neighborhoods.

Mayor Alain Outreman (search) tried to cool tempers.

"We are not going to start militias," he said. "You would have to be everywhere."

In one particularly malevolent attack, youths in the eastern Paris suburb of Meaux (search) prevented paramedics from evacuating a sick person from a housing project. They pelted rescuers with rocks, then torched the awaiting ambulance, an Interior Ministry official said.

By daybreak Saturday, 897 vehicles were destroyed — a sharp rise from the 500 burned a night earlier, police said. It was the worst one-day toll since the unrest erupted Oct. 27 following the accidental electrocution of the two teenagers who hid in a power substation, apparently believing police were chasing them.

Anger has spread to the Internet, with blogs mourning the youths.

Along with messages of condolence and appeals for calm were insults targeting police, threats of more violence and warnings that the unrest will feed support for France's anti-immigration extreme right.

"Civil war is declared. There will no doubt be deaths. Unfortunately, we have to prepare," said a posting signed "Rania."

"We are going to destroy everything. Rest in peace, guys," wrote "Saint Denis."

Police detained 258 people overnight, almost all in the Paris region, and dozens of them will be prosecuted, Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy said after a government crisis meeting. He warned of possibly heavy sentences for burning cars.

"Violence penalizes those who live in the toughest conditions," he said.

Most rioting has been in towns with low-income housing projects where unemployment and distrust of police run high. But in a new development, arsonists were moving beyond their heavily policed neighborhoods to attack others with less security, said a national police spokesman, Patrick Hamon.

"They are very mobile, in cars or scooters. ... It is quite hard to combat" he said. "Most are young, very young, we have even seen young minors."

There appeared to be no coordination between separate groups in different areas, Hamon said. But within gangs, he added, youths are communicating by cell phones or e-mails. "They organize themselves, arrange meetings, some prepare the Molotov cocktails."

In Torcy, close to Disneyland Paris, a youth center and a police station were set ablaze. In Suresnes, on the Seine River west of the capital, 44 cars were burned in a parking lot.

"We thought Suresnes was calm," said Naima Mouis, a hospital employee whose car was torched into a twisted hulk of metal.

On Saturday morning, more than 1,000 people took part in a silent march in one of the worst-hit suburbs, Aulnay-sous-Bois. Local officials wore sashes in the red-white-and-blue of the French flag as they filed past housing projects and the wrecks of burned cars. One white banner read "No to violence."

Anger was fanned days ago when a tear gas bomb exploded in a mosque in Clichy-sous-Bois, north of Paris — the same suburb where the youths were electrocuted.

Sarkozy also has inflamed passions by referring to troublemakers as "scum."

Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin denied that police were to blame. The director of the Great Mosque of Paris, Dalil Boubakeur, who met Saturday with Villepin, urged the government to choose its words carefully and send a message of peace.

"In such difficult circumstances, every word counts," Boubakeur said.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,174670,00.html
 
I have to go along with the fact that nobody has reported that the jihad is the reason for the riots in France. It may well not be, but you can bet that the jihadists will attempt to make it theirs.

Europeans are constantly harping on the Americans for our racism and discrimination, at the highest levels, it seems. The truth is that Europeans are routinely racist and discriminatory. They simply rationalize it. After all, nobody wants to hire "those People". They live in the "wrong areas", and would "only be embarrasing to both themselves and normal Europeans" if expected to act "civilly". The problem with true American racism is that it stands out. In Europe and Asia racism is a stable tenant of the ethnic majority.

Trouble is, the same can be said of the rioting groups. They come to France, settle in areas full of their own, want to be left alone to live like they were still in the Old Country, but harbor resentment when the French refuse to allow them to participate in society only part-time, whenever it's to their advantage.

A ticket back to their origins, for the entire extended family of anyone participating in these riots, would send a message independent of religious leanings.
 
Alarmism and rehashing the blood libel towards whatever group is unpopular at the moment is what is going to ruin the world, not Islam.
So, Islamic terrorism isn't a problem in the world today? WHEW! I'm glad you cleared that up for me. Maybe you should clear it up with the rest of the islamic world.
Is it just me or does this sound funny coming from an American, whose country was largely founded on the idea of freedom of religion?
Islam doesn't allow the free practice of religion, in fact teaching Christianity in most Islamic countries is illegal. That it's the motivation for people who want to destroy America should be a concern for us, no?
Islam is in fact a pacifistic religion akin to Bhuddism's pacifistic teachings.
That is completely wrong. Islam is, in fact, the exact opposite.

The situation in France and now Denmark:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1513137/posts
is a wake up call. "Multiculturalism" and policial correctness (in full display right here in this thread) is going to bring this type of trouble to America. We need to learn these lessons now while we can deal with them effectivly.
 
Rebar,


Why can't you post any evidence relating specifically to these riots?

"Multiculturalism" and policial correctness (in full display right here in this thread) is going to bring this type of trouble to America. We need to learn these lessons now while we can deal with them effectivly.

No one's asking you to be politically correct. The problem is that you are factually incorrect.
 
...shooting-upstudent sez...that guy ain't robb'n ya..he's jus upgrad'n his poor, economic conditions....he ain't burn'n yer car..jus try'n to keep warm...it wouldn't matter what evidence you'd give that he's continually asking for..he wouldn't look at it anyway...right SS?
 
So you have proof that they're not muslim? Where's your proof to make that claim? And what about Wildcard's post?

For the last time: The fact that they are mostly muslims does not mean that every thing they ever do is in the name of Islam. The fact that they are muslims is not in any way evidence that this is a "Jidahist" uprising.

Why is it so tough for you to grasp the idea that a Muslim might have some other concerns besides religious ones?

aspen,

How did you get that from my posts? Please quote where I've said rioting and violence is justified or okay.
 
FRANCE has plunged into a bitter debate over the failure to integrate its large Muslim community after five nights of rioting in a Paris suburb populated by North African immigrants.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,17112484%5E2703,00.html

Of course, expecting muslims to integrate into Western society isn't very "multicultural" or politically correct, is it? Much easier to just stick out heads in the sand until they take over. Maybe they won't behead our grandchildren, if we're nice to them.
 
Of course, expecting muslims to integrate into Western society isn't very "multicultural" or politically correct, is it? Much easier to just stick out heads in the sand until they take over. Maybe they won't behead our grandchildren, if we're nice to them.

I am clearly wasting my breath. All I hope is that your religious hatred never stops being a fringe movement in the USA.
 
Paris Rioters Set Woman Afire as Violence Spreads

AUBERVILLIERS, France — Marauding bands of Muslim youth set fire to cars and warehouses and pelted rescuers with rocks early Saturday, as the worst rioting in a decade spread from Paris to other French cities. The United States warned Americans against taking trains to the airport via strife-torn areas.

A savage assault on a bus passenger highlighted the dangers of travel in Paris' Muslim-filled and impoverished outlying neighborhoods, where the violence has entered its second week.

The African immigrant attackers doused the woman, in her 50s and on crutches, with an inflammable liquid and set her afire as she tried to get off a bus in the suburb of Sevran (search) Wednesday, judicial officials said. The bus had been forced to stop because of burning objects in its path. She was rescued by the driver and hospitalized with severe burns.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,174533,00.html

We spend a lot of time here arguing the fine points of this-gun vs that-gun, and the differences between republicans and democrats. And that's all great. But we have to wake up and smell the coffee. This is a clear and present danger to not just our gun rights, but our very culture and civilization. We need to take this very seriously.

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All I hope is that your religious hatred never stops being a fringe movement in the USA.
Hatred of Jews, Christians, Westerners, and Americans in particular, is widespread in all Islamic countries, so your statement is rediculously hypocritical.
 
..you're right..I am against any religion that enslaves people's minds and thinks all solutions are fought with violence, murder, destruction...reminds me a little of 'The Godfather' when the Corleone don insists that he is not evil while doing such continually....
 
Is there really a place in France where the Muslims wear no pants?

Now, back to a regularly scheduled soap opera

12-34hom.
 
..I am afraid that SS may show what effect his education may have had...a twisted view that good is evil and evil is good....
 
..why do they always praise allah so much when they are doing violent acts against others???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
 
I agree with Rebar 100% We need to abolish the 1st Amendment and that freedom of religion thing ASAP to prevent that from happening here. And lets toss out the 4th Amendment too - we need to be able to conduct warrantless & unreasonable searches on anyone who isn't white so we know they're not up to something. (But don't worry, our government would never use any of that against any of us good Americans who worship the right God)

While we're at it, we might as well deport or lock up anyone who doesn't fit in too - any kind of 'brownish' people, the gays, anyone who doesn't love Jesus, cab drivers, and anyone who doesn't 'speak American'. And the Californians too - they're mostly Mexicans anyway. And liberals - sweet Jesus knows we can't have any sort of political dissent in this here country.

And just in case any of them slip by, maybe we should outlaw guns so those weirdos don't go shooting up a school or...oh wait, nevermind that one.

I'm sure Rebar agrees with me too - if we can get all that done, then we'll finally make this country safe for the American way of life. Right Rebar?;)
 
..hey shaggy..I looked at all of rebar's posts and just couldn't find any of the tongue-in-cheek suggestions to 'do away with' or 'get rid of' this or that...did you read his posts or just make it up??.....trying to make a point or win an argument with lies and falsehhods...tsk tsk tsk....right out of the lib's playbook..tell lies to win any argument because we stand for the truth(sort of a contradiction running into itself)....:D :p
 
Only a few mintues ago, I was sitting here, reading this thread. I have to admit, some had me red faced and shaking my fist towards the East. At the same time, one of our detectives walked into my office and asked if I wanted to play poker at his place after work tonight. Erik's a kind, soft spoken, gentle sort that's liked and respected by officers and public alike. He has a number of commendations, and has been up for officer of the year. He's also Muslim :eek: . I'm glad I have an anchor like him in the storm ;) .
 
I'm sure Rebar agrees with me too - if we can get all that done, then we'll finally make this country safe for the American way of life. Right Rebar?
Rediculous and stupid.

To recognize the threat we're under is not racism nor bigotry. Only a small mind would think so. The Islamofasicts declared jihad on us, we didn't declare war on them. Or do you need to be reminded?:
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They have no problem defining us as the enemy, they have no issues with making this a religious war, they have not the slightest hesitation in murdering man, woman, child. or infant if they are the "wrong" religion or nationality.

But we're bad if we express the simple fact, a fact that they don't try to hide, that they want to destroy us and our civilization root and branch?

Absurd. You think your tolerance will stop the knife at your throat? Do you think your fate will be different than Daniel Pearl's, or Nick Berg's, or any of the others given as blood-sacrifice to allah? Do you think your children will be safe from the likes of the Beslan murderers or from suicide bombers getting on their school bus?

You need to think about the consquences of what's happening, or it will explode right in your face, and I doubt you'll be so tolerant when it's your child screaming their last breath on some Islamofasict's video tape.
 
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