Paris is Burning - Muslims running wild

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Something amazing is happening in France - and is not being covered at all by most Western media:
Riots have now continued for eight days in and around Paris. Thursday night, November 3, Muslim rioters burned 315 cars. In the previous week, they torched 177 vehicles and burned numerous businesses, a post office, and two schools. They have rampaged through twenty towns and shot at police and firemen. In an episode that summed up the failure of France’s efforts to create a domestic, domesticated Islam, when moderate Muslim leader Dalil Boubakeur, head of the Paris mosque, tried to restore calm, his car was pelted with stones and he had to rush away.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=20071

All of Europe is in danger of unassimiliated muslims literally taking over their nations, and turning them into Islamic republics. In France, muslims will become the majority by 2050, just two generations, and most of Europe is not far behind. The victories of Tours and Vienna have been thrown away for "multiculturalism" and appeasment of a religion/ideology that is profoundly anti-Western. See where appeasment has left France? Pretty soon France as a Western nation will fall, replaced by an Islamic republic, it's inevitable. Once France falls, what then of the rest of Europe?

Will America learn this lesson, and abandon these rediculous "Politically Correct" and "Multiculturalism" policies, before our tolerance destroys us?
 
The Canadians haven't seemed to, that's for sure:
TORONTO - Canadian counter- terrorism investigators have dismantled a suspected terrorist cell in Toronto whose members included an al-Qaeda-trained explosives expert, the National Post has learned.

The cell consisted of four Algerian refugee claimants who had lived in Canada for as long as six years and were alleged members of a radical Islamic terror faction called the Salafist Group for Call and Combat.
http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=aa8696a1-5a53-40ca-868a-3c8f6009581c

"four Algerian refugee claimants who had lived in Canada for as long as six years", I wonder how many more "claimants" are still roaming around.
 
Will America learn this lesson, and abandon these rediculous "Politically Correct" and "Multiculturalism" policies, before our tolerance destroys us?

What "Politically Correct" and "Multiculturalism" policies would you be referring to?
 
What "Politically Correct" and "Multiculturalism" policies would you be referring to?

Those policies which disavow people of their actions and teachings and instead insist that all actions and beliefs are morally relative, deny that people can have evil ambitions, and claim that any failure of people to live at peace with their neighbor is due to environmental factors like poverty and healthcare.

America is on the same path as Europe, just a little behind. We will not reverse our policies, mostly because anarchy and rioting gives those in power an excuse to get more power for themselves.

Here are some excerpts from CNN's description of the French riots (from CNN.com).

The vandalism has spread to around 20 communities among largely immigrant and Muslim populations frustrated by poverty, high unemployment and what they see as discrimination in French society. In some areas, unemployment is 25 percent.

That's right, its all environmental factors. The rioters are absolved of personal responsibility.

Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy said the government is unanimous in its determination to end the violence and address the problems.

"Once this crisis is overcome and calm is restored, each must also understand that there's also a certain feeling of injustice in some neighborhoods," Sarkozy said, according to a translation from Reuters. "I have thought this for a long time, and said it as well."


So the French government will address the problems that the current socialist, big-government programs have already failed to address. My guess is that this will require the government to have more money, and more authority to micromanage who gets it.
 
not again

See where appeasment has left France? Pretty soon France as a Western nation will fall, replaced by an Islamic republic, it's inevitable. Once France falls, what then of the rest of Europe?

Did it ever occur to you folks that maybe the riots aren't about Islam? Just like the Rodney King riots weren't about Christianity, even though most participants were nominally Christians?

I'd like to see one shred of evidence that these riots have any connection to support for an Islamic state. Show me some riot organizers who claim that, some protest graffiti, heck, even a video of some guy calling for a caliphate in the streets. I've been following the news on this one and I haven't see one shred of evidence to support the idea that these riots are about anything other than race and discrimination.
 
Did it ever occur to you folks that maybe the riots aren't about Islam?
Ah yes, our local islamofacist apologist.

According to him, it's never islam's fault for anything. Muslims burning down Paris? Christian schoolgirls getting their heads cut off? Various bombings of civilians and other gristly murders all over the world? 9/11? It's never islam's fault, even though those doing it loudly and proudly claim they do it in allah's name.

The fact is, islam teaches it's the duty of every muslim to jihad and to the umma, the worldwide theocracy of islam over every human being. Some folks, like our local apologist, might look forward to a 14th century lifestyle in the prison of islamic shiara. I do not, nor do I want my children or my children's children to live in that darkness. The time to stop it is now.
 
The fact is, islam teaches it's the duty of every muslim to jihad and to the umma, the worldwide theocracy of islam over every human being. Some folks, like our local apologist, might look forward to a 14th century lifestyle in the prison of islamic shiara. I do not, nor do I want my children or my children's children to live in that darkness. The time to stop it is now.

Well, first of all, no it doesn't...be we already had the discussion on your expertise in Islamic theology. You need to stop relying on the "New Covenant Ministries" website for your information.

Second, where's the evidence that, whatever Islam teaches, these rioters care about Islamic teaching? Citing some parody of hardline Islamic theology doesn't tell you one bit of what these rioters are thinking, anymore than saying "But the LA RIOTERS WERE CHRISTIAN!!!" proves that they were rioting to establish a Christian theocracy.
 
Race discrimination and religion discrimination

is what this is all about. The time has come and others are of the same thought to irradicate (burn, destroy the existing governments) what is irritating them is they are sick of no jobs and poverty and don't seem to be able to get it a peaceful way so they are on rampage.
Happening in Africa, happening in quite a few nations as we write...

If it is color they cry race discrimination if it is religion they cry religion discrimination, if they are women they cry women discrimination.

A war is Imminent (it's here) and we ARE seeing it. France is just the tip of the iceberg. You have a full fleged attack going on around the world and you are saying it is not a war???
They were against our fight with Saddam because of the amount of Muslim's in the country. Now they want more of the pie and will do it just like others have in the past, with violence.

My thoughts,

Harley
 
Did it ever occur to you folks that maybe the riots aren't about Islam? Just like the Rodney King riots weren't about Christianity, even though most participants were nominally Christians?
I'm sorry but that analogy is just ridiculously simplistic.
How do you know that the majority of the participants were Christian and not members of the nation of Islam or even atheist?

The majority of the participants were definitly black and the LA riots were definitely about being black.
 
The majority of the participant were definitly black and the LA riots were definitely about being black.
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Just like the majority of the rioters in Paris are North African and they are rioting about discrimination against North Africans.

How do you know that the majority of the participants were Christian and not members of the nation of Islam or even atheist?

How do you know that most of the rioters in Paris are Muslims and not atheists or otherwise irreligious?


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I'm still waiting to see some evidence of these rioters caring about an Islamic state. Some news article about atrocities in Indonesia is not evidence about rioters in Paris, Rebar.
 
Just like the Rodney King riots weren't about Christianity, even though most participants were nominally Christians?

Now theres an unsupported statement. Do you consider them Christian because they were in America or because they were, in large part, black? There is nothing to suggest the people rioting in LA were associated with Christianity whatsoever. The people rioting in France are clearly associated with Islam, however.

Did it ever occur to you folks that maybe the riots aren't about Islam?
...I haven't see one shred of evidence to support the idea that these riots are about anything other than race and discrimination.

Did it ever occur to you that there's more to it than vague factors of their environment? Your appeal to race and discrimination denies the underlying Jihadist element of the radical side of the Muslim faith. Maybe you did not pay attention to the bombings in Madrid, the bombings in London, or the continued attacks on Israel despite the turnover of Gaza to the Palestinian authorities. Perhaps you missed the news of Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh's slaying at the hands of Mohamed Bouyeri, a native born Dutchman. That many of those performing terrorist attacks are native to western Europe should at least give some insight into the growing strength of the radical Islam element in that part of the world. To think that the riots in France are wholly disconnected is absurd, and to think that radical Islam only grows due to race and discrimination is naive.
 
Apart from the continual attacks on civilians by terrorists in Iraq, Afghanistan, and the West Bank, there have now been recent horrific assaults in New Dehli (blowing up civilians in a busy shopping season on the eve of a Hindu festival), Russia (attacking police and security facilities), London (suicide murdering of civilians on the subway), and Indonesia (more bombing, and the beheading of Christian schoolgirls). The loci of recent atrocities could be widely expanded (e.g., Malaysia, North Africa, Turkey, Spain) — and, of course, do not forget the several terrorist plots that have been broken up in Europe and the United States.

First, despite the various professed grievances (e.g., India should get out of Kashmir; Russia should get out of Chechnya; England should get out of Iraq; Christians should get out of Indonesia; or Westerners should get out of Bali), the perpetrators were all self-proclaimed Islamic radicals. Westerners who embrace moral equivalence still like to talk of abortion bombings and Timothy McVeigh, but those are isolated and distant memories. No, the old generalization since 9/11 remains valid: The majority of Muslims are not global terrorists, but almost all such terrorists, and the majority of their sympathizers, are Muslims.

Squabbling and politically correct Westerners are decadent and outnumber the U.S. Marines, and ascendant Islamicism resonates among millions of Muslims who feel sorely how far they have fallen behind in the new globalized world community — and how terrorism and blackmail, especially if energized by nuclear weapons or biological assets, might leapfrog them into a new caliphate.

We can, of course, learn from this. It’s past time that we quit worrying whether a killer who blows himself up on the West Bank, or a terrorist who shouts the accustomed jihadist gibberish as he crashes a jumbo jet into the World Trade Center, or a driver who rams his explosives-laden car into an Iraqi polling station, or a Chechnyan rebel who blows the heads off schoolchildren, is in daily e-mail contact with Osama bin Laden. Our present lax attitude toward jihadism is akin to deeming local outbreaks of avian flu as regional maladies without much connection to a new strain of a deadly — and global — virus.

Instead, the world—if it is to save its present liberal system of free trade, safe travel, easy and unfettered communications, and growing commitment to constitutional government—must begin seeing radical Islamism as a universal pathology rather than reactions to regional grievances, if it is ever to destroy it materially and refute it ideologically.
http://www.discoverthenetwork.com/Articles/realglobalvirus.html

My islamic theology is 100% accurate. Perhaps yours is lacking, or perhaps you're polishing up those al-Taqiyya skills. Regardless, world domination ("umma") of Islam is in fact the goal of all good muslims, which is what jihad is all about.

To deny it is stupid and dangerous for non-muslims. Our very way of life is in serious jeopardy, and some want to play word games and dissimulation to divert attention from the very real threat we are all living under.
 
There is nothing to suggest the people rioting in LA were associated with Christianity whatsoever. The people rioting in France are clearly associated with Islam, however.

Show me some evidence that these people in France are rioting for Islam, then. The point of the comparison was this: If you look at demographics, virtually all of the American minorities involved were Christian. Does that mean it was a riot for Christianity, or that christians must do every thing that they ever do in the name of Christianity? No. Why do you assume the opposite for people who are from Muslim backgrounds?

Did it ever occur to you that there's more to it than vague factors of their environment? Your appeal to race and discrimination denies the underlying Jihadist element of the radical side of the Muslim faith.

No it doesn't. What I'm saying, for the third time, is that there is no evidence at all that these riots have anything to do with Islamic fundamentalism. It is ridiculously bad reasoning to go from "Some Muslims are terrorists" to "Every violent incident involving a muslim is Jidahist terrorism", and that's exactly what you and Rebar are doing.

If I'm wrong, show me evidence that these rioters in Paris are rioting in the name of Islamic fundamentalism.
 
My islamic theology is 100% accurate. Perhaps yours is lacking, or perhaps you're polishing up those al-Taqiyya skills. Regardless, world domination ("umma") of Islam is in fact the goal of all good muslims, which is what jihad is all about.

Not only did you get Al Taqiyya wrong, the article is a joke. You can repeat the claims all you want, but that won't make them true, and this isn't the forum for debating religious teaching. We can do that in PM again if you wish, but I doubt that I'll get anything other than "nccc.org" and other wacky pieces of information to support your claims.

Alarmism and rehashing the blood libel towards whatever group is unpopular at the moment is what is going to ruin the world, not Islam.

And hey, guess what? You didn't post any evidence showing that the Paris rioters care at all about an Islamic state. Why not?
 
"To deny it is stupid and dangerous for non-muslims. Our very way of life is in serious jeopardy, and some want to play word games and dissimulation to divert attention from the very real threat we are all living under."

Is it just me or does this sound funny coming from an American, whose country was largely founded on the idea of freedom of religion?

I bet this wouldnt happen if we were all Christian. Whoops, forgot about that Crusades thing. And the Holocaust.
 
It is only France... We helped the twice already... Besides their wine and cheese arent all that good anyway....Oh yeah French woman dont shave either... I think we should sit this one out, and see what happens.

On a more serious note, I sure hope the French get their act together quick.
 
Woof, pretty heated here. Time for a deep breath or three.

Normally I don't name specific people but in this case, Rebar, you really should learn somethng about the things you're saying.

FWIW, Islam is NOT about "world domination". Jihad is NOT the primary tenant of the Islamic religion. These are the teaching of a segment of Islamic religion that is NOT followed by most adherents of that religion. Islam is in fact a pacifistic religion akin to Bhuddism's pacifistic teachings. There is a small splinter group of fantatics who believe in the terroristic stuff but the mainstream religion is peaceful.

Saying that other stuff spreads lies and intimates that the speaker has ulterior motives and designs. I don't know if you do BUT it sure sounds like you do.

And another thing. The burning and rioting in France HAS been on the news for the past several days so it IS being covered by the western news media. At least in my town. The basis for it, as was said, is high unemployment, poverty, and discrimination against the poor and immigrant population. These people are attempting to get their government to listen to them and help them. The fact that they had to go to such extremes is a shame but sometimes change requires extreme measures.

Remember our own tea party? Held by a bunch of Puritans I think and there was something about discrimination and high taxes and the govt wasn't listening to us. So we did things they HAD to listen to.

Same thing is going on the France. A few months ago it was the farmers blockading all the highways with their tractors. Now it's rioting. Seems to me the French gov't needs some serious house cleaning because they certainly aren't in step with their citizens.

Vote me no confidence in the French government no matter what religion the people ascribe to.
 
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