Parenting, Sarah Brady style.
- Thread starter MicroBalrog
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It takes very little to turn a victimless crime into a crime with many victims. In this case all it would take is enough pressure on the trigger. The kid is bipolar, has a history of violence, a record, cocaine and an AK. These are not the kind of things I will blow off when I become a parent. A fist fight in school, yes under the right circumstances. Weed, tabacco or booze, I can't be pissed because I did them too, in moderation. A few speeding tickets, heck we all get those. BUT COCAINE, AND AN AK!
If you honestly belive that all the good parenting in the world (or even average parenting)can still get you a violent bipolar 17 y-o with coke and an AK then you are crazy. I was the product of sub-par parenting, lack of a strong male role model and 2 divorces. The worst mom ever found in my room were Playboys.
If you honestly belive that all the good parenting in the world (or even average parenting)can still get you a violent bipolar 17 y-o with coke and an AK then you are crazy. I was the product of sub-par parenting, lack of a strong male role model and 2 divorces. The worst mom ever found in my room were Playboys.
kennybs plbg
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Lets face facts here the parenting isn't working regardless, it comes to a point where the mother could have just saved his or anothers life.
Would I have done it? In a heart beat and my son knows it, so he would have never put me in that position because he knows I would never put up with it.
kenny b
Would I have done it? In a heart beat and my son knows it, so he would have never put me in that position because he knows I would never put up with it.
kenny b
MicroBalrog
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Great example, person violates the law, family member turns them in. Except not. The kid was a minor. The mother has every right to know and have a say about what is in her house. I doubt that cocaine and AKs are on the list. I know they weren't on my mothers. Some people DO NOT NEED GUNS! A bi-polar 17 y-o in possesion of coke is on my short list of people who DO NOT NEED GUNS. Others that make it are the suicidal, homicidal, anyone involved with drugs, violent criminals, and anyone otherwise mentaly unstable. Ask ANYONE who is not a memeber of one or more of these groups and they will tell you that they do not want these types of people to have guns either. In fact I DEFY you to find another member of this board that that thinks that this kid should be on the street. Even if mommy takes away his gun, he has already got one, chances are he will get another.
MicroBalrog
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Are you implying that I am involved with 'one or more of those groups'?
Please provide evidence to your claim.
Get a grip. The fact that a seventeen year old was in possession of cocaine is a criminal offense in Canada. The fact that a seventeen year old obtained an AK, or any firearm, without going through his parents, is a criminal offense.
A person afflicted with Bi-Polar disorder in America must reveal it on the Form 4473, or is guilty of a felony. Just how many felonies does one get a pass for in your world?
The mother did what she should have. The boy was OBVIOUSLY out-of-control. I own several AK-47 rifles, and it takes a special set of circumstances for me to leave one loaded, and with a spare loaded clip, on the dresser in my room. I'll have to guess that the majority of other people here are the same. Bi-Polar disorder, especially when it's evidenced with volent behavior during reorientation, is nothing to fool with. We have a micro-view of this child's life, and absolutely zero real history here. Certainly not enough to sustain the "victimless crimes" statement of yours, sir.
Bi-polar disorder has a chemical component that is fairly easily diagnosed, so it's not likely to be missed, or "thought into being". The addition of hallucinatory chemicals, or mood-altering drugs of unknown strength or composition, can cause violent behavior of the most murderous kind.
Like it or not, the young man was a danger to himself, and others. The addition of street-drugs made it even worse. The signs of leaving the loaded weapon so accessible are also a warning. While you might ignore them, the safest course of action was to remove them, and him, from normal social involvement. In today's enlightened world, that means to obtain help from the authorities. After all, if she had kept the weapon, and it been discovered by the authorities, then she'd have been arrested and charged. That would have helped the situation how?
A person afflicted with Bi-Polar disorder in America must reveal it on the Form 4473, or is guilty of a felony. Just how many felonies does one get a pass for in your world?
The mother did what she should have. The boy was OBVIOUSLY out-of-control. I own several AK-47 rifles, and it takes a special set of circumstances for me to leave one loaded, and with a spare loaded clip, on the dresser in my room. I'll have to guess that the majority of other people here are the same. Bi-Polar disorder, especially when it's evidenced with volent behavior during reorientation, is nothing to fool with. We have a micro-view of this child's life, and absolutely zero real history here. Certainly not enough to sustain the "victimless crimes" statement of yours, sir.
Bi-polar disorder has a chemical component that is fairly easily diagnosed, so it's not likely to be missed, or "thought into being". The addition of hallucinatory chemicals, or mood-altering drugs of unknown strength or composition, can cause violent behavior of the most murderous kind.
Like it or not, the young man was a danger to himself, and others. The addition of street-drugs made it even worse. The signs of leaving the loaded weapon so accessible are also a warning. While you might ignore them, the safest course of action was to remove them, and him, from normal social involvement. In today's enlightened world, that means to obtain help from the authorities. After all, if she had kept the weapon, and it been discovered by the authorities, then she'd have been arrested and charged. That would have helped the situation how?
FirstFreedom
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As many as are based on unconstitutional laws. In this case, none. Canada does not have an RKBA in their constit., IINM, so mom did the right thing, seems to me.
On what unconstitutional law is the purchase of a weapon by a minor based? Or the proscription of the possession of a weapon by a medically diagnosed mentally-unstable person?
I don't disagree with your thinking, I just need to see where you're coming from.
It's going to be a reach in Constitutional Law to interpret the age of majority, and the ability of the government to restrict persons below that age from acquiring objects. Too much precedent in law.
I'm going to present the same question as to the possession of firearms by mentally unstable persons. Particularly with a violent past.
Not trying to be insulting, just want to know how far we're talking about going here with the RKBA.
I don't disagree with your thinking, I just need to see where you're coming from.
It's going to be a reach in Constitutional Law to interpret the age of majority, and the ability of the government to restrict persons below that age from acquiring objects. Too much precedent in law.
I'm going to present the same question as to the possession of firearms by mentally unstable persons. Particularly with a violent past.
Not trying to be insulting, just want to know how far we're talking about going here with the RKBA.
jburtonpdx
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Yeah she should have just kept her mouth shut I guess.... Ignore it that way it is not a problem and the papers wont talk about it.
God forbid somebody else finds out what is happening in her house. I wonder if she actually called the papers or maybe she wrote her own press report about the incident.
exactly
jburtonpdx
OK I'll play along for just a little bit
Please point out where I suggested that she should hide her shame
Please point out where I have implied that she wrote her own press
It' would be much easier for me to point out exactly which post of your's I was responding to
Which was made in reference to members discussing her actions in ways that did not agree with you opinion of the subject
OK I'll play along for just a little bit
Please point out where I have disagreed with her action.
Please point out where I suggested that she should hide her shame
Please point out where I have implied that she wrote her own press
It' would be much easier for me to point out exactly which post of your's I was responding to
Which was made in reference to members discussing her actions in ways that did not agree with you opinion of the subject
MeekAndMild
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Got to go with JR47 on this one here folks. Freedom is only one edge of the sword of responsibility.
jburtonpdx
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Joab
Sorry if I came off the wrong way towards you, maybe I was cranky when I wrote back to you, in any case, nothing personal please do not take it that way.
As far as the write her own press comment, well I was stretching a little, to quote another member of this board "Its the internet, get over it".
That said, I would venture to guess that she did not want or intend to get press over this issue. I dont think she had any control over what was printed in the papers. I also dont think she had a realistic alternative as far as her son, she made the same choice I probably would have made if faced with that situation.
That is not to say that other choices earlier may have prevented the situation from occuring, but that would be playing the "if only I had done this" game and there is no real point in that for now.
As far as others commenting on her actions in her house, I was doing the same thing. Is it that I do not get to comment? Everybody here has made a statement about this, agreement with or dissagreement with her actions, her abilities as a mother and so on. I was simply stating that if you all were making these comments about my parenting I would not pay any attention to you - not so politely as that but I am sure you get the point.
I believe that we all get to say what we want, you responded to my comments, I responded to yours. Again, whatever direction this goes, nothing personal, I dont even know you as you dont know me. Well maybe you do, that would be a bit spooky...
That's because you have never been to my house.
But I never said that I keep an AK on my dresser
I keep an 870 between the bed and highboy, within arms reach, a revolver under the wifes pillow and a Beretta or 1911 on the floor next to the bed.
The AK is in my home office within arms reach A Star 9mm is on the dresser in the office.
I also have a Savage riot gun on top of the entertainment center and another 1911 on top of my wife's shrine and a sawed off shotgun next to the entry door
All are loaded
Most of the guns in my safe are loaded most of the time
I also stated
So do you unload all the bullets from the clips on your defense guns when they are not in use
joab, I like your style. just like a boyscout you are always prepared.
microbalrog, take no offense, I did not mean to insinuate that you were a member of one of those groups. But honestly, how many felonies must YOUR child commit before you stop covering for them? Just like any right, the RKBA has limits.
microbalrog, take no offense, I did not mean to insinuate that you were a member of one of those groups. But honestly, how many felonies must YOUR child commit before you stop covering for them? Just like any right, the RKBA has limits.