Parent Arrested for Carrying Licensed Gun Into School

"The rule is very simple. There is zero tolerance,'' Barker said while standing outside Strong Vincent Tuesday afternoon. "Only those who are authorized, like state and local police and the FBI, are allowed to (carry weapons on school property). "There is absolutely no circumstance when a parent should bring any type of a weapon onto school property,'' Barker continued. "It will not be tolerated.''

I am wondering why LEO's are authorized to carry in a school but a permit holder isn't? [Rhetorical Question]

Schools are dangerous places maybe if they issued those "gun free zone...please don't hurt me" shirts and
stickers things would be better?

I drove school bus for 3 years...and I can think of several times were pepper spray would have been nice
to have. And once or twice that a handgun might have been needed.

Couple incidents that stick in my mind. Kid who wanted to get off my bus and go kill a teacher--this was
before columbine, and this "kid" was a drug dealer and had assaulted adults before. And the time I got to
confront a guy that followed a female bus driver for over 5 miles all the way back to the garage. That
was on a late route so the dispatchers were gone and it was just about 4 or 5 of us late bus drivers left on
duty...scattered all over the area.
 
Are "gun free school zones" not the stupidest of all the asinine gun laws under which we are forced to labor? The "federal buildings" ban is almost as absurd. We're turning into a nation of shrieking hysterics who make Rambo jokes at the sight of a Swiss Army knife and faint at the sight of a gun.

Can't find the text of the law, but from the search page it looks like he was charged under title 18, section 912, which conveniently isn't on the the PA legislative server.
 
Since many people seem to be throwing the term Moron around fast and loose here, I'd say that the Moronic thing is to have your children in public school, not to be carrying a firearm in one.

I've always been suspicious of these laws that claim to ban firearms in schools. If the school is private how can it be any of the govt's business if you carry a firearm.
 
"... the Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms, shall Not be infringed."

But when our Rights ARE infringed, we must obey.
- But, but, it's the LAW!
- What can ONE man DO?
- The government will keep us safe......

I tell ya, Froggie! The water's getting hotter! Honest!
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>We're turning into a nation of shrieking hysterics who make Rambo jokes at the sight of a Swiss Army knife and faint at the sight of a gun. [/quote]

When I went down to the Erie County Courthouse in June to renew my CCW, the geniuses at the front desk metal detector made me check my Leatherman Micra on my keychain. God forbid I might actually run in the courthouse with scissors or something...
 
Doc, you'll put an eye out with that thing! Given the guy's statements I'd say he's not the sharpest tack in the box but I don't know about moron. Certainly the comments made by the reporter and others were moronic in nature. Maybe the guy was planning something, maybe the big coat was all he had to cover, maybe he's decided with 22,000 plus laws we're already considered criminals so he's tired of all the BS. Maybe he will fight this one and win a 2nd amendment case for us. I personally don't belive in creating Criminal safe zones. In NC we're told that if you carry on School grounds your CCP is gone and so is your gun. I will reserve judgement on this one till the proverbial fat lady sings!
 
Someone has already mentioned what I have been screaming to myself for years about the NRA mantra of "enforce existing gun laws". Remember "existing gun laws" now includes the 1994 mag ban, assault weapon ban, and a host of other laws. Its time for the NRA to get a new mantra.
 
I agree wholeheartedly with Cypselus. We are a weak nation and getting weaker. God forbid we ever have to fight a serious war in the future.

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We've all seen so many distortions by the press, I wouldn't even put it past them to misquote this guy ... believe me, it happens.

So, is he a 'moron'? Perhaps to some degree ... for getting caught at least.

And if, by chance, he had stopped a violent incident that day he would have been ... a hero.

I can no longer react in a kneejerk way to this kind of broken 'law' or this kind of newspaper story. We have many poorly thought out laws on the books ... this is certainly one of them, and I think most of us would agree - it does not make children safer. And, we already know the media terribly distorts most stories related to firearms.

So, no ... I can't so quickly dismiss this fellow. As others have noted above, I'm curious about his side of the story. And, if all he did was take a concealed firearm where the state says 'no', and had no ill intent and no violent use ... then I won't be jumping on this dog pile.

Regards from AZ
 
Good Evening All-

John/az2, I'm with you, brother.

As always seems to be the case in these situations, I'm sure there are many details in this story about which we haven't yet been apprised.

Divide and conquer, classic tactic of the Anti-RKBA crowd. Let's hold judgement until full information is available and not make a "sacrifice" to the HCI shrills.

Regards to all,

~ Blue Jays ~
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by John/az2:
You guys that are calling this man a moron based on this article are missing the point.[/quote]

I agree. I think that there is not sufficient evidence to call this guy a moron, because I see several holes in this story. However, I will offer only this. For everyone that called this guy a moron, would you walk onto a school campus unarmed considering all the violence that has occured in schools across the nation recently?

I sure as hell won't! And I know several other students at my school that won't either. Along with the rest of you RKBA supporters -- we are not out to hurt anybody, but to protect ourself. I hope I may live throughout the rest of my life and never have the chance to defend myself against such violence. But if that day should arrive.. I will be ready -- or at least partially for the peacemaker does not leave the car. :(

Flame on, I dare you.

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As seen in Atlanta's AJC, The Vent: "Let it be known that in this great metropolitan area that you might be able to get away with murder, but you'd better not bash a mailbox."

[This message has been edited by KaMaKaZe (edited August 31, 2000).]
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sumabich:
Doc, you'll put an eye out with that thing! Given the guy's statements I'd say he's not the sharpest tack in the box but I don't know about moron. Certainly the comments made by the reporter and others were moronic in nature. Maybe the guy was planning something, maybe the big coat was all he had to cover, maybe he's decided with 22,000 plus laws we're already considered criminals so he's tired of all the BS. Maybe he will fight this one and win a 2nd amendment case for us. I personally don't belive in creating Criminal safe zones. In NC we're told that if you carry on School grounds your CCP is gone and so is your gun. I will reserve judgement on this one till the proverbial fat lady sings! [/quote]

Doesnt taking of property without a trial violate due process?

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I feel bad for this guy.. I'd feel worse if his permit was revoked. Stepping onto school grounds is like stepping into commie town these days. The only higher concentration is found on college campuses.

Does anyone know if this guy lost his permit?


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What part of "concealed" didn't this guy understand?

I think the law is stupid and is a violation of the RKBA.

However, unless you are doing a deliberate act of civil disobedience, learn how to conceal a gun.
 
You guys are giving morons a bad name. The guy was an idiot, having, of course, a lower I.Q. than a moron. Anybody who uses double negatives on school grounds ought to have his CCW suspended. Next, you'll find out that he's also a smoker, which gives "idiot" a bad name.
 
If I am not mistaken, the story as reported above NEVER reveals whether he was carrying openly or concealed, although it arguably implies he was carrying openly. In any event, it's a constitutional right. Cassidy, more and more I'm thinking you're line of reasoning is right - "enforce existing laws" may be a recipe for disaster...
 
Well Said.

If this guy needs some finantial help, i'm in.


<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by John/az2:
You guys that are calling this man a moron based on this article are missing the point.

This man is lawfully excercising his constitutional right to keep and bear arms, school or NOT, and you all are crucifying him.

Shame on you! Because you all whine about "uncontitutional this!" and "uncontitutional that!" It's just words. Walk the walk and be men of character.

If you are not willing to practice civil disobedience, then SHUT THE HECK UP! and let others do it for you until you can do it for yourself.

Don't hang ANYONE out to dry who's doing something, ignorantly or not, to practice what is a natural right!

Someone told me that Benjamin Franklin said, "The best way to get rid of bad law is to MAKE them enforce it."

Man this really pisses me off... :mad:
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"[Even if there would be] few tears shed if and when the Second Amendment is held to guarantee nothing more than the state National Guard, this would simply show that the Founders were right when they feared that some future generation might wish to abandon liberties that they considered essential, and so sought to protect those liberties in a Bill of Rights. We may tolerate the abridgement of property rights and the elimination of a right to bear arms; but we should not pretend that these are not reductions of rights." -- Justice Scalia 1998
 
Upon further reflection, I agree that I was too hasty in labelling this fellow a "moron", and I retract my initial statement. I made the fundamental error in relying on what I read in the paper and heard on the local radio. (Dumb, dumb, dumb)

Perhaps "naive", "indiscrete", or "ignorant of a gray area in the law" would have been more appropriate until the facts are known.

My apologies.

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