Question: if you do carry with round chambered... when you get home, do you unchamber and remove mag? and to load it up again in the morning ?
How many times can you chamber a round, and extract it before the round being chambered should be replaced with a fresh one ?
If you have time to draw it, you probably have time to chamber a round in it.
Question: if you do carry with round chambered... when you get home, do you unchamber and remove mag? and to load it up again in the morning ?
How many times can you chamber a round, and extract it before the round being chambered should be replaced with a fresh one ?
Nonsense. Very few shooting happen in that critical split-second time frame that matters. In fact, many justified shootings occur in a time fram elong enough to get the gun from some location off the body.This is not even close to being true in a situation where a self-defense shooting would be justified.
And that keeps you from getting to your gun and chambering a round how??If someone is really trying to KILL YOU, you're going to be shaking because your adrenaline is going to be coming out of your ears and hopefully you're going to be moving as fast as you can away from the threat.
We're all entitled to an opinion, but let's look at the facts, which are that chamber empty carry has been used a whole lot without much trouble, in spite of all the nay-sayers. FWIW, if you believe in that miracle one-shot-stop with a .45 ACP in a life or death situation, I believe you are fooling yourself and taking an unnecessary risk.If you think you can dig a P32 out of your pants, grab onto that tiny little slide and get a good enough grip on it to rack the slide (keeping in mind how tough that spring is) and get that miracle one-shot-stop (with a .32ACP) off in a life-or-death situation, I believe you are fooling yourself and taking an unnecessary risk
Nonsense. Very few shooting happen in that critical split-second time frame that matters. In fact, many justified shootings occur in a time fram elong enough to get the gun from some location off the body.
We're all entitled to an opinion, but let's look at the facts,.....
I have the exact same setup: Same holster, only mine's a P3AT (.380, get it? *laughs sarcastically*).
I would hope so. Different situations, different equipment, different concerns. SWAT officers and such have a very different set of issues surrounding their carry of firearms than does the non-LE CCW holder.Every bit of training I've ever had has been from SWAT officers and instructors. Every point you've made flies in the face of years of that training.
I don't suggest that. What I suggest is (1) in most DGU incidents the caliber and location and carry-mode of the gun doesn't matter very much; (2) different people have different concerns, or different equipment problems, than others and they should make decisions based on what is best for them and their situation, not what is best for someone else; and (3) autoloaders were carried chamber empty for most of the 20th Century, and are still carried that way in lots of places, without it seeming to be much of a handicap, so all this talk about how bad it is is not supported by the evidence. If I actually suggest anything it is that most folks would be better off if we all just carried K-frame .38s and didn't get wrapped up in all these fairly irrelavent issues.Why you would suggest that someone would carry a tiny pistol with known feeding problems and shooting a .32 ACP unloaded is beyond me.
Some do, but they are the rare exception. And for that exception the place and mode of carry of the gun is going to have more impact on speed of presentation than the condition of the chamber. As for evidence, my suggestion is always if you don't believe me go do the research yourself. I can tell you that I've looked at over 10,000 shootings, both LE and non-LE, and I present that information to take or leave as one wishes. I can tell you that a summary of the NRA Armed Citizen column shows almost no cases where the quick draw mattered. I can try to explain logically that unless there is a very small window of time the incident occurs in, it doesn’t matter. If it happens before that small window, it doesn’t matter. If it happens after that small window, it doesn’t matter. So, what is that window? It is the time it takes you to rack the slide. Let us assume that adds a quarter second to your total time (which is pretty slow, by the way). And let us assume that you can draw and fire at the 2 second mark. If the attack comes before you can draw and fire having the chamber loaded or not doesn’t matter, as you don’t have time to draw and fire at all. If the attack comes with a 2.25+ second time frame having the chamber loaded or not doesn’t matter, as you have time to chamber a round. Only if the attack happens after 2 seconds but before 2.25 seconds does the chamber condition matter. But I always request folks do their own research. Crawl through the internet. Read the papers. Look at the incidents. See for yourself if it matters, when it matters, and what situations it matters in, then make a decision based on that knowledge.And if it's a fact that shootings don't take place in environments that call for split-second presentations and decisions, I would be thrilled to see the evidence.
As mentioned above, feel free to do research on your own if you don't like mine. I'm sorry that 30 years of research, 10,000+ incidents, and thousands of pages of literature can't be accessed with a mouse click. I've never understood why one would accept the data from some unknown person they never heard of over me any way. My credential are as good as most, better than many, in this area. But please, feel free to look at the information yourself and show us where I'm worng. Heck, I'll make it easy. Forget thousands of cases. Randomly select any 100 that can be considered representative of the common DGU incident and let us know how you come out.What facts, where are you getting your data.
Very few premier training individuals are trained researchers, and few of them spend much time doing research. Most of them don't provide data, they give quote findings from other people that may or may not have the data. And I've lost track of the number of times I've found top trainers simply quoting something they heard that later turned out to be incorrect. Heck, one of my prized possessions was a letter from Jeff Cooper thanking me for correcting a claim he was making that was incorrect, and Jeff was one of the better ones when it comes to reliable information.Your data conflicts with the data that is provided by some of the premier training individuals.