So in my view there are only two possibilities, either the agent who tested the rifle lied under oath to frame an innocent man
Don't discount this possibility. During the congressional hearings after Waco, it was shown that FBI agents routinely lied to Congress cover up their actions. This lie continued for nearly 3 years until they finally admitted their deceit. Don't get snookered into thinking that those in power in our government are incapable of treachery and deceit. Deceit is routine among those in government and often in law enforcement.
From my experience, the only class of people who hates and fears the police are criminals.
Cowards--like Olofson and Randy Weaver--run away or lie to their supporters to gain sympathy.
So if you're all scared of the police, you might want to ask yourself if you're living right and in accordance with the laws of our country.
I reiterate. If you're afraid of the good guys, then by definition, you must be a bad guy.
I reiterate. If you're afraid of the good guys, then by definition, you must be a bad guy.
Police = good guys.
Me = on the side of the good guys.
Olofson = bad guy
You = ?
This miscarriage of justice is another example of the fact that the government is not your friend.
During the congressional hearings after Waco, it was shown that FBI agents routinely lied to Congress cover up their actions. This lie continued for nearly 3 years until they finally admitted their deceit.
The lack of daily common sense appears to be slipping within our country, while certainly what this man done was incorrect and in violation of law the sentence was harsh, we should strive to put really bad guys behind bars and we certainly have plenty of those in our growing population.
Stagger Lee said:Gee, how can I possibly argue with someone who insults me, justifies his paranoia by asking me to imagine a reality different than the reality that we now have, and then implies that the majority of Americans are too stupid to "get it" like he does?
Take whatever prize you want and go.
Incorporation is the idea that the Bill Of Rights applies to the states via the 14th Amendment.
Selective incorporation is a court-created doctrine in which pieces of the BoR get applied to the
states as cases come up before the US Supreme Court regarding each right, and actually happened
across the 20th Century. Full incorporation is a theory gaining scholarly support whereby the 14th
Amendment was supposed to apply the entire Bill Of Rights to the states via the Privileges and
Immunities clause of the 14th.2
The purpose of this article is to outline in one place the real history of incorporation and how this
secretive fight in the courtrooms affects our rights today.
It's a long, drawn-out tale of civil rights violations and attempted reforms. It has heroes and villains.
The story can be directly linked to over 100 deaths in a single riot, 4,000 murders by lynching across
generations, uncountable assaults and other violent crimes and the disenfranchisement of millions of
minority voters. People were disarmed of personal defense weapons for the specific purpose of
assaulting them, and disenfranchised to continue their de-facto enslavement.
Reforms happened in the 20th century, but in a piecemeal fashion (selective incorporation) that has
never fully restored our rights to what they were supposed to be.
The Heller decision supporting a personal right to arms for self defense announced by the US Supreme
Court on June 26th 2008 exposes a series of historical injustices in US court decisions dating back to
1833, and signals the FIRST willingness by a modern Supreme Court panel to revisit and reverse the
historical racism and injustice in their own institution.
1833-1868: States repeatedly violate the Bill Of Rights. As one flagrant example, in 1858 the state of
South Carolina passed a law calling for the death penalty for any religious minister, preacher, priest or
similar who spoke out against slavery from the pulpit, in church. This of course violated both the free
speech and free religion sections of the 1st Amendment4.
1865-1868: Southern states begin passing racist laws to establish what we would call white
supremacy. Virtually all of these had provisions stripping newly freed blacks of any right to self
defense against the rising tide of proto-KKK. As one classic example:
1. That it shall not be lawful for any freedman, mulatto, or free person of
color in this State, to own fire-arms, or carry about his person a pistol or
other deadly weapon.
2. That after the 20th day of January, 1866, any person thus offending may be
arrested upon the warrant of any acting justice of the peace, and upon
conviction fined any sum not exceeding $100 or imprisoned in the county jail,
or put to labor on the public works of any county, incorporated town, city,
or village, for any term not exceeding three months.
3. That if any gun, pistol or other deadly weapon be found in the possession
of any freedman, mulatto or free person of color, the same may by any justice
of the peace, sheriff, or constable be taken from such freedman, mulatto, or
free person of color; and if such person is proved to be the owner thereof,
the same shall, upon an order of any justice of the peace, be sold, and the
proceeds thereof paid over to such freedman, mulatto, or person of color
owning the same. [Ed. note: the off-duty fashion choices of justices of the
peace, sheriffs, or constables at that time tended toward an ensemble of
basic white bedsheets with eyeholes...especially at night.]
4. That it shall not be lawful for any person to sell, give, or lend fire-
arms or ammunition of any description whatever, to any freedman, free negro
or mulatto; and any person so violating the provisions of this act shall be
guilty of a misdemeanor, and upon conviction thereof, shall be fined in the
sum of not less than fifty nor more than one hundred dollars, at the
discretion of the jury trying the case.5
Once again, you are confusing the sales pitch with the product.
I reiterate. If you're afraid of the good guys, then by definition, you must be a bad guy.
Police = good guys.
Me = on the side of the good guys.
Olofson = bad guy
You = ?
Let's not try to confuse the issue, people. Bringing up three or four individual examples of times when police officers have done wrong doesn't make your case or undermine mine, because it's not what I'm talking about.
I'm talking about the people--and there are several on this forum--who think that anyone who works for BATFE is an evil gun grabber part of some conspiracy, and that all federal and most local police officers exist only to deny us our rights. That's the stupid stuff that I'm responding to, so please don't try to take it off track, either with references to individual acts of a few bad apples--most all of whom were subsequently punished by the system--or paranoid "what if's".
I reiterate. If you're afraid of the good guys, then by definition, you must be a bad guy.
Police = good guys.
Me = on the side of the good guys.
Olofson = bad guy
You = ?
and that sir is completely asinine. If you are directing the statement at some who are here then grow a pair and do so clearly.that the people who stroke off dreaming about how one day they'll be surrounded by the dead bodies of the cops who came to take their guns