Over-The-Top ParaMilitary MindSet?

[NormOps]

*Laughing* Entertaining thread.

Has it occured to the OP that many of said wannabe's rely on (I'll admit) unrealistic scenarios and plans to counteract such scenarios because it relieves some of the stress of the everyday grind? It's a world apart from what most of us experience on a daily basis- those things that rarely call upon the strong, decisive, masculine side that every red blooded man is aware of- and as such helps prop up the dragging Rambo, Arnold, or Bourne in us.

And maybe, the 'Proles' really are the hope of the world...

Eli W.

 

[protectedbyglock]

Here's a stress reliever....
This one's on my christmas list:

 

[Apone]

It's December 18, 2008, not 18 Dec. '08.

It is never 18 Dec. '08. It is 18 DEC 2008. You're welcome.

I would write more, but you're not deserving of my time or effort. Maybe, you would be happier on a grammar forum, Max.

I would like a can of that troll spray, please.

 

[Apone]

Half the cops I see now days look like special forces/SWAT/Gears of War with fatigues and boots etc. I dont really care for it.

What material is typical of a policeman's uniform? I live in SE Texas and the cops here always look really uncomfortable in the summer, which is about 9 months long here (yes, I know what the calender says). I always thought the LEO's here should be allowed to wear something more comfortable.

 

[JohnH1963]

There is one key difference between law enforcement and the CCW holders.

The difference is that the law enforcement officers have an experienced set of attorneys and the trust of the court system/general public. They have recorders and video cam setups to provide as evidence to protect themselves against lawsuits. They are experienced and trained at testifying in a court of law and being questioned by defense attorneys. The officer has been to court many times and knows the procedures. etc.

The CCW holder, on the other hand, has none of this. No experience, no training, no set of experienced attorneys, no cameras...

A CCW holder needs to be ready to spend time in jail for their actions as they are not in the same position to defend themselves as a law enforcement officer. There are many CCW holders spending time in prison because they simply could not defend themselves properly in court. They didnt have the attorneys or experience in testifying (Harold Fish).

 

[onthejon55]

mall ninjas

After a recent trip to the Palm Beach gunshow I have an idea of what the OP is protesting. I call them PlayStation kids and they're rich. They walk through and buy the latest tech. and use the lingo without a thought about what it can really do. It's just COOL and they can afford it ALL. They take it home in their late model Mercedes/Lotus/Porsche and, hopefully, just play with it there. Preferably without any live ammo.

wats wrong with these people? if you won the lottery tomorrow i guarantee you would be right there in line with them buying all the goodies. If you havent noticed rich people do more for the fire arms industry than any one else. they are the reason the NRA is so big. They donate the most and buy the most stuff. If the future they are the people who can afford to take newbies out to the range and show them the fun in shooting there by helping the NRA's cause. Just because you cant afford the good stuff doesnt mean you should hate them for it. I personally am not rich but i still like all of the tactical equipment so instead of buying a $400 eotech i stick with $30 BSA. Is there anything wrong with that?

 

[Cruncher Block]

I develop software.

I always use 24hr time at work. I insist that my teams use it. In fact, I prefer the software to use GMT (a.k.a Zulu) time. Yes, we call it Zulu time, too. Local time zones are a royal pain in the gluteus to deal with in software.

When something breaks, it's a lot less confusing to read or say, "The database crashed at 1435," than to say 2:35 -- has it been down for 1 hour or 13?

There's also logic in formatting dates dd/month/yyyy. It's easier for software to parse in some cases.

Here's a real bad one: I use a phonetic alphabet when troubleshooting on conference calls, as do most of the engineers -- you know... Alpha, Bravo, Charlie. It's not a gung-ho military or cop thing, it just prevents problems when there's a big difference between the LDF03 server and the LDS03 server.

I was in law enforcement many years ago. Even then, 24hr time and all that other stuff was about clarity, not paramilitary mindset.

 

[Tennessee Gentleman]

There is one key difference between law enforcement and the CCW holders.

The real difference is that LEOs are duty bound and paid to enforce the law when they see it broken by arrest if need be. A CCW is not. Anyone with enough money can hire a good defense attorney not just LEOs.

 

[Bill DeShivs]

I think the fairly recent relaxed carry laws in many states have introduced a lot of younger people to guns. When you are young, you like what you perceive to be state-of-the-art stuff. I know I did. Sometimes this enthusiasm can go overboard. I work in a bad area, in the largest criminal justice complex in the south (no, I'm not a cop.) I work nights. I have seen large scale rioting and arson. Gangs are everywhere.
I carry a little .32 auto in my pocket. It's all I need for the most part. I have a gun collection that would make most people envious, but I carry a little .32.
Make no mistake, I know how dangerous things can be- and I do keep a couple of 9mms in the car in case things go south, and I have real big guns should the need arise-but I carry a tiny .32. I guess I have mellowed. I read a recent post here about an "encounter" in a Walmart parking lot, and I was amused-not at the poster's situation, or the handling of it-but I was thinking that I see that every week or so at the Exxon station near work. It's no more than an annoyance to me. I do believe in being prepared, but my enthusiasm has waned. I have been carrying a gun for at least 33 years.
And for you younger members- Cops used to be employees of the public, not some special "elite force" as they are now. LEOs tend to specialize in todays world. This started with the SWAT teams in the 1970s. Now there seems to be a pervasive attitude that LEOs are "special" and the general populace doesn't "need" to have guns.
Rant off, now.

 

[B. Lahey]

Booooo!

I'm going to do some commando rolls in the snow the next time I go to the range just to torque y'all off.

(flops on ground) bangbangbang "Take that Quadaffi!" (flops around some more) bangbangbang "Eat that Kaiser Wilhelm!"

Yeah, dude. I'll be the coolest operator on the block!

What should I use for this fine exercise? 9mm AR or Saiga 12? Or maybe my new Seecamp...

 

[hillbillyshooter]

8 is enough.

You forget, JohnH1963, police are trained in more than testifying. The police are properly trained to defend themselves from the tactically manuvering gangs of serial killers that are pilaging rural America, all under the command of the BTK killer that you like to speak of. Police are also trained in shot placement and do not have to spray and pray and lay down "supression" fire in a conflict with 2 persons as you speak of needing. Yes, police may have lawyers and be trained to testify in court, but I have no real idea how the Harold Fisher case is relevant besides being and example of a poor guy who talked to much and had a bad lawyer. You make it sound like police can do whatever they want with no consequences. This is usually not true (except in Ruby Ridge and Waco) and police are also citizens of the same community that they protect and therefore are governed by the a majority of the same laws. Granted, CCW doesn't = LEO, but what is the harm with playing "Army" on a online forum? Max, just go with the flow and enjoy (even the occasional BS)!

 

[Striker071]

OK just want to say BDU's are a heck of a lot more comfortable to wear on duty. I wish they let us wear them all the time.

Bad things happen to good people. If you can CCW and you dont and you witness Grandma being hit over the head with a crow bar... you will be asking yourself for a long time ... if I had my gun/weapon/sidearm could I have intervened on her behalf and maybe saved her.

The "Being in a warzone comment"..... I believe by having the right mindset a person can make it so they dont end up a victim. Many criminals have been asked why they chose the people they did. It was about how they carried themselves... if they made themselves a good victim.

Bug out bags.... well I have 2 .. One for winter weather one for general weather. Is having 10 gallons of water in 5 gallon fuel containers (painted green with a white W on the side is nutty... sure .. up until the point where your municipality can't give it to you because of a natural disaster.

I like military time... so 1400 is just that 1400 after all I was in the military and it works ... no confusion if its 400 am or pm and its still dark. I use 3 different formats on the date at work mm/dd/yy yy/dd/mm yy/mm/dd so .... it is what it is.

I do agree on the part no one needs a "RAMBO" type person... speaking from experience most military folks dont want to be left alone when the crap hits the proverbial fan. But it is also up to people "like most on here" to temper those folks and to give them real life experience.. practical experience... and say hey any time you carry a (sorry I call em weapons) weapon you have to be responsible with it. You have to be more responsible. I find when I carry CCW off duty I am more careful to react. The person who just cut me off is gonna be left to go down the road instead of me getting ****** right back and gunning my car and now there are 2 idiots driving their cars at stupid speeds doing stupid things. All the tactics and training posts I have posted to on this forum have been very informative. The trained professionals either active or retired have given great advice and made people think on what would be the safer and responsible thing to do.

With anything in this world there is going to be a "fringe" Subculture. I beleive anyone who is fanatical is just that a "fanatic"... religion .... politics... guns..... they all become dangerous for the same reasons and you are correct we dont need these poeple on any subject.

I beleive people have to do whats right for themselves and maybe in forums like these we can help temper those folks who think its glamerous or cool to be "Packin". But I dont think we should knock folks who beleive they need to carry a tactical mindset from day to day. I see people out in the world who are like sheep. I have to watch em and I see em evryday where they disconnect from their brains.

I hope the OP never has to use more than 8 bullets... but if you do some research there have been gun battles where 15 bullets wernt enough... so sometimes more is better.

 

[12GaugeShuggoth]

Booooo!

I'm going to do some commando rolls in the snow the next time I go to the range just to torque y'all off.

(flops on ground) bangbangbang "Take that Quadaffi!" (flops around some more) bangbangbang "Eat that Kaiser Wilhelm!"

Yeah, dude. I'll be the coolest operator on the block!

What should I use for this fine exercise? 9mm AR or Saiga 12? Or maybe my new Seecamp...

My vote for the best post on this thread^^^ Of course I can't help but laugh due to the image of Lahey (from The Trailer Park Boys) performing this action. If you haven't watched the show......well then I'm sorry for you

 

[Capt. Charlie]

Admittedly, I should've closed this back when the post count was still in the single digits. It was controversial and barely on topic from the beginning, but we've dealt with controversial threads before without stooping to the low road.

Sadly, that didn't happen here. Closed for going off topic, personal attacks, and just generally being a waste of bandwidth.