[OT]: They're foreclosing on my house because I displayed the American Flag.

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FUD,
I still taste leather. Actually, with a little garlic and black pepper my foot wouldn't taste that badly. My offer stands- 100 rounds of your favorite ammo and a 6-pack of Shiners if ever we meet in person.
Not a flame on lawyers but isn't anyone here a lawyer that can give a little gratis legal council? I am trying not to make lawyer jokes but can it be that NONE of us is a barister?

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Those who use arms well cultivate the Way and keep the rules.Thus they can govern in such a way as to prevail over the corrupt- Sun Tzu, The Art of War
 
Apple,

Even if someone here WERE an attorney, for their advice to be any more valid than the advice of others here, they would have to be:

1. An attorney in Florida, and

2. An attorney in Florida specializing in Real Estate and HOA law.

The HOA convenants that FUD is fighting are structured under Florida's HOA laws, and as such are specific to the state of Florida only.

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Beware the man with the S&W .357 Mag.
Chances are he knows how to use it.
 
FUD,
I'm sorry, bud, but I believe a lot of the TFL'ers are right..They can assess and the association can fine you because you signed that silly CC&R's of the association.

But like Gunslinger said, I'd at least give 'em a fight as I make a tactical E & E out of that association. Contact every newspaper,radio station, and TV station that you can....let these B*@*h**#s know what kind of J*@**A**#s they are. Even provide the list of the board members as one of the documents with copies of the fines and orders to all of these subversive activities.

You can hold your head up high because you didn't do anything wrong except pick a place to live that had a bunch of commie B#@**#@s on their board, who have nothing better in their life to do, except hide and stab you in the back. They didn't even have the courtesy to simply remind you of the rules and regs.

Good luck and let us know how we can help.
 
FUD,

You prob don't have a leg to stand on. If you decide to fight this, you'll just have lawyer fees to add to your expenses. Sometimes you just have to cut your losses...
 
In many ways, HOAs are a good thing. They protect YOUR investment in YOUR home by maintaining a set of community standards for appearance. They also work to maintain community common grounds and facilities.

BWAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA !!!!!!! Let's change the words a bit, shall we?

In many ways, government-funded programsare a good thing. They protect YOUR investment in YOUR country by maintaining a set of national standards for those less fortunate. They also work to maintain the country's common lands and facilities.

Like what you just read?

Get real. HOA'a are ALL fascist little mini-governments, accountable to NO ONE. I can't believe the disconnect that some of you supposed "conservatives" are showing on this issue. Big government, more government. That's a stone-liberal belief. Now, those of you that feel HOA's are a good thing.... time to join the Democrat party, and help the Algore campaign.

Leave those of us that like our freedom alone please...
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LASur5r: ... They can assess and the association can fine you because you signed that silly CC&R's of the association ...[/quote]I guess it must have been one of those "trivial little things" that the lawyer had me sign during closing :mad:
 
Multitudes of Mundavian residents have been suprised by the amount of control over their lives that they relinquished when they signed the CC&Rs.

What makes this one veery interestipating is that the developers took his money BEFORE the CC&Rs were printed.

P.S.....Fud posted while I was writing, guess they took SOME of his money prior to the printing of the CC&Rs. Oh boy.

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Sam I am, grn egs n packin

Nikita Khrushchev predicted confidently in a speech in Bucharest, Rumania on June 19, 1962 that: " The United States will eventually fly the Communist Red Flag...the American people will hoist it themselves."

[This message has been edited by C.R.Sam (edited September 10, 2000).]
 
Mike,
Yeah, yeah, I know but I thought even if we had a lawyer NOT from Fla. they might have a better idea where to dig up info or have contacts/buddies who are from the land of flowers who could consult. I know it's reaching but it was worth a try.

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Those who use arms well cultivate the Way and keep the rules.Thus they can govern in such a way as to prevail over the corrupt- Sun Tzu, The Art of War
 
Don,
how can they refuse cash? Far as I know it is legal tender still, isnt it?
No cash on me had to look at old silver certificate but it says

"This certificate is legal tender for ALL debts public and private"

If you have to use cheques then get a printer program that prints them and make them out at one cent each, just print around 58,000 of them and send them in the mail return recept. :D
 
In support of FUD,

EnochGale, I suggest you grind your axe somewhere else.

period.

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FUD,
Write that damn check :mad:

As everyone else said, get a specialist lawyer, and see if you can do anything about this.

I would think that this indeed encriached upon the 1st Amendment (Freedom of Speech), as well as contradictory to the Spirit of America. A good story with the local TV/Radio/Noosepaper shoul dbe in order here. Oh yeah, don;t leave out any local talk radio shows.

A lot of idiots like me listen to those shows, and that means ears and mouths, and dollars ans sense to these jokers.

Also consider making a deal with the "ASSociation" about dropping your contract, and fine if you sell, and move out within a certain period of time.

I was never one to give in, but you might just be up by doing so.
 
Ok, Dennis, let's break this down bit by bit.

Most towns/cities have little to no recourse to deal with a property owner who refuses to maintain his property.

Case in point, rotting shutters, peeling paint, weed choked yard, or a car up on blocks.

Having been in that situation before, I found that the incorporated town where I lived had absolutely NO mechanism for dealing with the individual who lived up the street.

In a community of nicely kept homes, with your home for sale, would you want such a person living next to you? Curb appeal isn't just limited to YOUR property alone. Neighboring properties have a HUGE impact on the sales potential and price of a property.

In an HOA, there are community standards for appearance, as I have noted. This serves to protect your property values by demanding minimum appearance standards. In most towns and cities, your ONLY option is to sue the owner of the property, which may or may not work.

In areas where HOAs operate, they by and large give you the ability to contract for services as a unit. This serves to keep prices down for things such as trash removal and lawn services.

Your assertion that HOAs are answerable to "no one" is utterly and completely false.

ALL states that have incorporated HOA type governance within their boundaries have boards or commissions that have oversight authority on HOAs.

This is, quite frankly, more than can be said about towns or cities.

In essence, an HOA IS a small town or city. It contracts for services, it passes laws (known as community regulations), it assess penalties, it levies "taxes" (in the form of monthly dues).

How is this different than ANY other form of Government, Mr. "Freedom Lover"? I will offer the one GLARING difference from your own quotation...

"maintaining a set of national standards for those less fortunate."

HOAs have NOTHING to do with common welfare for the disadvantaged. In fact, they can be seen to be discriminatory in that, by working maintaining high home values, and levying assessments to pay for HOA services, they keep OUT those who are unable to pay.

As I have noted, HOAs can become overly restrictive and essentially spiral out of control. But, to offer counterpoint, I only have this to offer... Chicago in the 1960s. Philadelphia in the 1970s. California today.

I also like your assertion that conceptually HOAs somehow are worse forms of government than the other forms we have in this country.

In fact, HOAs, if properly structured (as mine is, as FUD's apparently is not) are not unlike the New England system of town meeting government, which is probably the purest form of democratic government that exists in this country today.

And finally, if, as you state, I'm a fascist in training for being vice president of my HOA, why am I offering FUD advice on how to deal with, and potentially WIN, his troubles with his HOA?

I'm glad to be able to offer this information to someone who obviously has no clue as to how HOAs work, what they do, or how they fit into the concept of American government.




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Beware the man with the S&W .357 Mag.
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EnochGale, I think you might be one that was in on fining FUD, how could you be so heartless, evidentally the flag don't mean nothing to you. I feel like when anyone needs advise TFL is one of the best places to get advise and help because most everyone here is more than gladly to give you help, usually they do it in a more loving way than your on family would. I appreciate my TFL family, believe me if I ever need advise I will come here first no matter what a few of you thinks about it. I DON'T REALLY CARE WHAT YOU MIGHT THINK!!!!!!!!

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Let's keep it calm, folks.
If you don't like this thread, there are hundreds of others to read - just move on.

Meanwhile, y'all blew right on by the 100K cut-off! I guess I need to stop by more often.

Time to close this long one and begin part 2!
 
Absent finding a lawyer who can help you out, here's something to ponder:

Offer them 1/2 the money (the original amount) as a settlement. Then, when it's settled, find yourself some law students who will research and pursue the case pro-bono. It can be a big PR flop for the HOA. American Vet fined for flying flag...News at 11! As a backdrop, VFW, DAR, American Legion in support. If we had Ghandi with us, we could get a hunger strike going.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>It sucks. And not to rub salt in a currently very open wound, silly little meddling things like that are reasons why i would NEVER join a homeowner's association or live where one existed. If my neighbors are so darned concerned what my house looks like and what I do on my property, they can...well...common courtesy precludes me from saying what they can do, but lets just say it is obscenely biological and they could go blind from doing it.[/quote]

The problem is, it's getting increasing hard to live anywhere withoout being in a homeowners association. Development companies are buying up all the land withing 10 miles of the city and you want land, you HAVE to buy into their crap. I hate it, and the worst part is that payoffs and political favors mean the city politicians love developments.

They make me sick, and I consider them a threat to the sovereignty of city governments.

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Having been in that situation before, I found that the incorporated town where I lived had absolutely NO mechanism for dealing with the individual who lived up the street.

Well, tough sh*t. That's called FREEDOM. That means you can live any way you want, as long as your residence doesn't create a health hazard. (I guess according to YOU, everyone has to meet YOUR "standards", or have the law called down on them. You don't live in America, do you?)

HOAs have NOTHING to do with common welfare for the disadvantaged. In fact, they can be seen to be discriminatory in that, by working maintaining high home values, and levying assessments to pay for HOA services, they keep OUT those who are unable to pay.

I guess they have more to do with the "advantaged", hmmm? By all means, keep the riff-raff (or those that don't think just like you do) OUT.

In essence, an HOA IS a small town or city. It contracts for services, it passes laws (known as community regulations), it assess penalties, it levies "taxes" (in the form of monthly dues).

How is this different than ANY other form of Government, Mr. "Freedom Lover"?


Why thank you for making my point for me. How thoughtful. And thank you also for calling me a FREEDOM LOVER. That sounds real good to me.

I'm glad to be able to offer this information to someone who obviously has no clue as to how HOAs work, what they do, or how they fit into the concept of American government.

Well, I guess we just see things differently. As I SAID (and you have now completely agreed with this point), these HOA's are unconstitutional GOVERNMENT bodies, adding yet another layer of taxation, "social programs" and laws on us. You obviously favor such an arrangement.

I stated that anyone favoring this is AT LEAST a "closet liberal". Evidently, you are. I dislike additional, UNNECESSARY layers of government in my life. I CHOOSE to live in a region where these "governments" don't exist. If you want to suck up to a miniature fascist gov't all your very own, feel free to do so.

They are evil and parasitic, and serve NO useful purpose other than to deny people their Constitutional rights. (You DO remember those, don't you?)
 
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