Opinions on cheap Auto

I will say undoubtedly, Go with a Ruger P97. I have owned mine for 8 Months now and I must say I love it. It conceals well enough for me to carry IWB with an Action Direct belly band on a daily basis. The gun weighs just under 30 ounces with a loaded mag so it is not heavy. The only problem with Glocks is they are thick and boxy. If you are carrying IWB you may want to try it out first. A Glock with an equally sized barrel will shoot no better then my P97. If you get a Glock 17 the longer Barrel wins. I have shot Glocks, Sigs, SW, and barretta. I still like my P97 better. It field strips in about 10 seconds and you can do it by touch (in the dark).
I could also tell you about Sturm Rugers support but I have that in another thread (Ruger Satisfaction).

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CincySS: If you're in Cincy, try going to one of the Dayton gun shows in Hara Arena for a good deal. Those are some of the best shows in Ohio.
 
Look at a new or used S&W 3rd generation auto
They have a traditional D/A or S/A system like the ruger but they shoot better.

I also know that they are slimer 7/8"
for my model 910 w a 15 round capacity and preban mags available!

My Ruger P-89 looks much bigger but measures
1.25" across the ambidexterous decocker, and
1" across the grips.

The ruger is heavier than the S&W 910.

The 910 shoots very well. I bought it two weeks ago and have been to the range twice.
300 rounds and no problems.

The 910 has less felt recoil than the Ruger P-89.

I have also seen used stainless models for under $400. The S&W 910 is a very fine gun for a reasonable price.




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When I was considering the S&W 910 the shop owner and I examined the pistol carefully and disassembled it.
He and I noted the following quality features:

The bore and the feed ramp appear to be chrome plated, the feed ramp polished, chamber throated.

Most internals are stainless as in the more expensive S&W pistols.

Barrel bushing and bulb end barrel had a tight fit indicating hand fitting.

I also noted when the shop owner and I were comparing it to a sig ($629 factory new, $559
used) that the fit of all the parts was very tight and the rails had a dovetail shape added to the normal interlocking structure.

It also fits my hands very well, SIG grips seemed large (like the price).

The dove tail will keep the fit tight as wear occurs by action of the magazine spring pushing up on the underside of the slide it appears?

It appears to be a rugged and well designed tool. The shop owner also said that many Law enforcement departments used S&W autos with excellent reliability.

I also own a ruger p89 so I am the king of reasonably priced american guns.

The S&W has a lighter recoil than the bigger heavier Ruger this surprised me.

It may be because the guide rod has an internal spring as well as a recoil spring?
The internal spring only acctuates a small
plunger so I don't see how this affects the
recoil so much.

Any body know what ammo is most accurate in these I shoot UMC 9mm because it always on sale for 69.98 a case at my local gunshop
 
Jerky, your right, the Hi Point is ugly and looks like it was made with left over tractor parts.

BTW, it has NEVER failed to feed or eject a round. I have owned and used a lot of different weapons. I shoot in local tatical matches every week. I've seen 700 and 800 dollar guns that have failed to feed or eject. High price is no guarantee that the gun will function. The Hi Point is a good gun for the money.

As far as home defence, there is no better value than a 12 ga pump shotgun.



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The new guy.

"I'm totin, this pistol because my dang SKS won't fit in my holster"
 
Check out the hi-power copy by FEG of Hungary. Its called a PJK9HP and it uses all magazines ever made for the browing hi-power. Runs just over $225 with paying off your dealer. Look for ads in the shotgun news. 13 rounds of 9mm in all-steel for $200 isn't bad, its not as pretty as FN but don't bet it won't shoot.

DR.Rob
 
I carry my P97 daily in a Northwest Security Products pack (size large - the gun will fit in the medium, but just barely). No problems
with bulkiness and very comfortable.

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I don't know where you are, but you need to shop around because for me that is a high price for a used Glock. Around here NIB ones are under $500 and rebuilds are under $400. The Ruger is definately a value gun, good and reliable for not a lot of money. SIG P226 and P220 are available use for under $400 and I bought a SIG demo P225 for $329. The CZ75 is also an excellent choice as is the DAC-394 and the Arkus HP looks pretty good. A Kel-Tec better be under $300, around $200 would be more like it. Unfortunately all of these choices, with the exception of the Ruger or a Kel-Tec, are in 9mm. You might also look for a Norinco, some of them are still floating around. A couple of months ago I bought a Kahr K40 Covert NIB for $389. A used Browning HP in .40 might do, but I think they have gone up recently.
 
beemerb... Was it just me or did you read that part where he said he DIDN'T WANT A GLOCK?
Of those two guns, I could easily reccomend a Ruger...
I have shot a handful of Rugers and never had a problem, just make sure they fit your hand well enough that you are comfortable shooting it... and start with a 9mm... You can always move up to 45 later, and give your wife the 9... but for right now, get something you and your wife are sure to be able to control... even if that means something smaller than a 9...
Other than those two guns, I have shot a Taurus or two, and they are very comfortable, and very affordable.
 
These are approximate prices from my local store, they will vary from time to time and in different places.

Ruger p95: $300
Ruger p97: $330
Kel-tec p11: $225
Patriot .45: $250
Taurus Pt 9mm: $275
CZ 100: $330
Baby Eagle .40: $330
S&W "Value Series": $350-$400
Kahr E9 "economy model": $330

Those are the under $400 guns that I can think of. Have never used the patriot, CZ 100, or Taurus Pt (can't think of model number).

In the larger guns, the Rugers are good, the Smith value series are good (the blued 3rd gen. guns, not the sigma series), and the Baby Eagle is a surprisingly accurate shooter. Any of those would make an excellent choice.

In smaller guns, I liked the E9 the best. I have one on order right now.

[This message has been edited by Correia (edited November 23, 1999).]
 
Cincy, what i'd recommend doing is shopping around for a Glock. I mean $500 for a refurbished Glock is not a good price(I can get a brand-spanking new Glock 19 for $454) But I'm in NC and Glock is late on its shipments which is delaying me :(, but anyway look around for a Glock, because you may just come across a great buy on a great gun called Glock.

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I bought an EAA Witness Polymer at a recent gunshow for $299 brand new. The thing is reasonably tight and has surprising accuracy if you are a good shot with a stiff trigger . I have had no jams in 500 + rounds. I have heard a few complaints about EAA guns manufactured a few years ago...but I must say that the Witness-P is the best gun I have ever got for the money. My local gun dealer is selling them for $339 or you can pay $450 and get the gun plus an extra slide and barrel.
 
I purchased a used Beretta 8040 at a gun show in the spring. It was like brand new hardly used and I paid under $400. for it.
It's a good shooter and have had no problems with it. I don't know why it was traded. I liked this one so much I just bought the 45
version.
 
Just don't buy a lorcin and you will be OK :)
I love lorcins, they are fun to watch people shoot, from a distance... :)
(Slide, bang, click, @$#@, slide click, @#$@%@$#, slide, bang, jam, @#$@%....)
:D
 
I've been carrying and shooting a Sigma 40VE for almost a year now. I've had no problems with it. It's accurate. It's easy to care for, and it fits my hand better than a lot of other pistols I've tried. I work at a range on weekends so I see people of all different levels shooting all kinds of guns. The Ruger is definitely a great gun and would be adequate, but for my money the Sigma is the best buy and the gun for what you want.

The one difference I can see is that the Sigma will always have the same trigger pull since it uses a striker for every shot. I believe the Ruger is an SA/DA so you'll get a long double-action pull on the first shot and short single-action pulls for the rest. That's not a deal breaker, it's just something to think about.

Oh, and don't worry about the lack of an external safety on the Sigma. The safety on the trigger prevents ADs and an external safety lever just serves to slow you down and complicate the firing process if you're under pressure. You will find the gun is actually safer than one with an external safety lever as you begin using it.

Good luck in your choice.

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leedesert,
Which version of the P97 do you have. Is it the manual safety, decocker, or DAO version? I'm currently looking for concealed carry and would like to know which you have.

I've heard mostly bad comments about the PT111, 140 & 145's, along with the CZ100.
 
You might also take a look at an Auto-Ordnance 1911A1. I have seen one report on this board, and a couple of second hand reports locally, that they are much improved now that Kahr owns them.
 
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