amd6547 said:
I’m not impressed by saami, since they have neutered favorite rounds like 38spl and 8mm Mauser.
The Underwood +P 380 shoots wonderfully in my Beretta 84F. Since I had some, I did put a couple mags through my P3AT, to no bad effect.
I’m a fan of the P32, however. After having shot and carried the P3AT for a few years, I picked up a P32 just before the plandemic hit.
The P32 is an excellent shooting pistol. I carry mine with a Hornady XTP in the chamber and first out of the mag...the rest is hot S&B FMJ.
You can't really blame SAAMI for that, it was simple cause and effect which resulted from a massive influx of cheaply made firearms which couldn't handle full-spec ammunition. It was basically a necessary public safety counter-measure in response to a market that had been flooded with firearms which could catastrophically fail with the use of standard ammunition. In other words, don't blame SAAMI, blame Saturday Night Specials, Ring of Fire guns, and the people who bought them, as even then there were lower cost firearms that weren't junk, but certain folks just couldn't resist those bottom-dollar prices or otherwise lacked the good sense to avoid them in favor of firearms of clearly higher quality/workmanship.
It's a lot like the infamous Gun Control Act of 1968, often written off by conspiracy theorists as a brazen attempt by our eternally corrupt government to deny the American people access to inexpensive yet high quality firearms manufactured abroad, but in reality was a hastily thrown together and fundamentally flawed attempt at public safety by halting an influx of cheap, shoddy, and in many cases structurally unsound firearms which had become popular among criminals as disposable weapons.
Furthermore, modern .38 Special +P loads come close to replicating old .38 Special loads, and .357 Magnum can either meet or surpass them entirely depending on the load, so there's no big loss.
Lastly, whether you agree with SAAMI or not, it still isn't wise to mess around with unregulated overpressure loads in firearms which were designed around the concept of building the smallest, lightest weight pistols available, not necessarily the most rugged or durable.
If you want 9mm performance in the smallest package, then buy a SIG P365 or a Springfield Armory Hellcat, don't load your P3AT or LCP with overpressure .380 ACP ammo which at best amounts to poor-man's 9mm. And if you do, then don't act surprised when the firearm fails prematurely, much less blame the firearm because it unsurprisingly doesn't hold up well to ammunition which produces higher chamber pressures in excess of what it was designed to handle or otherwise could realistically be designed to handle when it comes to unregulated ammo produced by manufacturers whose entire selling point is maximum power, in which competition is bound to result in them trying to 1-Up each other with increasingly hotter loads.