Open versus concealed carry
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Bullcamp82834
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Put me down for concealed carry when not out in the woods.
The element of surprise being a huge edge in an encounter with a dangerous human.
The element of surprise being a huge edge in an encounter with a dangerous human.
Glenn E. Meyer
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TX - a few years ago, one of the concealed handgun instructor association honchos told me that they found, informally, that 80% of folks didn't carry most of the time. They just wanted it for carrying the gun in the car.
If that changed with the new law - don't know. Doesn't make sense to me as most incidents don't happen in your car.
As far as OC - I'm with the crowd that says it gives away too much. There is not that much empirical data on such but I think if you OC and I wanted your gun it is mine. I'm not wrestling with you by the way. Think about it.
If that changed with the new law - don't know. Doesn't make sense to me as most incidents don't happen in your car.
As far as OC - I'm with the crowd that says it gives away too much. There is not that much empirical data on such but I think if you OC and I wanted your gun it is mine. I'm not wrestling with you by the way. Think about it.
This has actually happened where a man who was open carrying was targeted and robbed at gun point because he was wearing it on display.
I just hope Arizona is graced with more time with our current laws so we can see what the impact of our current laws really will be.
EDIT: Another good argument for why the Fed needs to let the States handle State business. It allows many states to pursue differnet solutions to common problems which affords the opportunity to figure out what works and what doesn't.
I just hope Arizona is graced with more time with our current laws so we can see what the impact of our current laws really will be.
EDIT: Another good argument for why the Fed needs to let the States handle State business. It allows many states to pursue differnet solutions to common problems which affords the opportunity to figure out what works and what doesn't.
Years ago I was concealed carrying while out on a walk. Coming back I started to get rather hot so took off my coat. I'm minding my own business and notice that cars passing me by are slowing down and people are looking at me as if they hadn't seen someone walking before. I didn't think anything about it until I got almost home and realized that everyone could see my shoulder rig. So as to not alarm anyone else I put my coat back on. It wasn't but a minute later that a sheriff's car drove by in the direction from which I came. So to answer your question, no I don't open carry - although it's perfectly legal in this state.
If one's to carry an exposed firearm, there are a lot of things to consider beyond "does this holster match my shoes?"
People have had their guns taken from them, with awful consequences. The gun is not always the deterrent to violence people expect it to be.
From a practical standpoint, great care must be taken in terms of retention gear and training. From an ethical standpoint, one should be wary of how they're representing all of us when they do it.
People have had their guns taken from them, with awful consequences. The gun is not always the deterrent to violence people expect it to be.
From a practical standpoint, great care must be taken in terms of retention gear and training. From an ethical standpoint, one should be wary of how they're representing all of us when they do it.
Tom Servo said:
The plural form of annecdote is not data.Glenn E. Miller said:
If we are being intellectually honest, a gun's role as a deterrent or as a bulls-eye is unmeasurable.
Glenn E. Miller said:
As to whether Glenn can take a gun from an open carryer, having never met the gentleman, I can only speculate, but I think that might be a little more bravado than reality. I would hope that, before testing his hypothesis, he would pick his target very carefully, as I do not wish any harm towards him.
Tom Servo said:
Very true. My decision to OC or CC based on attire is generally "Can I comfortably conceal this weapon on my person with the attire I need to wear for my planned activities?" This helps me determine my weapon of choice, my attire, and my carry meathod. If I am meeting with someone after work that I don't directly know, or know through a mutual friend, I may OC, since my work attire (shirt and tie) doesn't lend well to concealed carry (Makarov or CZ-75). When I OC, i carry in a leather pancake holster with a forward cant at 3 o'clock, a carry method I chose speciffically to make sure Glenn keeps his mits of my gun.
Spats McGee
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I'm too old to fight the youngsters, and too fat to outrun 'em. Even if I lived in a jurisdiction where OC was legal, I'm not sure I'd do it. Seems to me that OC could have a deterrent effect, but also runs the risk of making the OC'er the first target. CC may give up the deterrent effect, but it also (potentially) loses that "first target" effect, and gains a (potential, again) element of surprise.
Preacherjim
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I have recently started to open carry. Unlike what many have suggested, there has not been dirty looks, or any negative experiences at all. I have done as much research as I possibly can, and the opinion of open carry making you a target is just that, an opinion. I feel that conceal carry can make you a target as well, but that is my opinion. I am just thankful that I live in state that gives me the option. I will say that if more people open carried, and conducted themselves respectfully, that our gun rights would not frighten as many people as they seem to.
FoghornLeghorn
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That (the first statement) is definitely true.
Seriously? Letting your enemy know the nature of your strength might be advantageous? Nonsense.
I personally like our open carry law because it means that if the wind blows my shirt up to reveal my sidearm, I can't be charged with brandishing. That was always a concern of mine. Then we passed open carry.
FoghornLeghorn
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I have read of numerous cases where people who were open carrying were targeted by thieves ...... just for the gun.
I didn't copy them all, but I have this one.
Very true, but in this case, anecdotes can be useful. When I bring up the risk of being disarmed, open carry advocates claim "that doesn't happen! Show me where that has happened!" Well, it can and it does.
On the other hand, I've yet to hear of a legitimate case in which open carry was proven to deter violence.
ShootingTargets7.com
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We had an open carry demonstration scheduled for the "coastguard festival" near my hometown recently. Was intended to help eliminate fear of seeing weapons.
The police talked the group into doing a "static" demonstration...
Kinda defeated the purpose of it all. I almost went, glad I did not I would have been upset.
The police talked the group into doing a "static" demonstration...
Kinda defeated the purpose of it all. I almost went, glad I did not I would have been upset.
Preacherjim
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On the other hand, I've yet to hear of a legitimate case in which open carry was proven to deter violence.
The reason why? Because the crime wasn't committed. You are not going to find a criminal who states: "I was going to attack that person, but I saw that he/she had a gun..." It just doesn't happen. It is pure speculation to state that open carry does not deter crime. Sure, some cases have been found that showed someone was targeted for open carry, but those cases are few and far between. Just because data isn't available to show the opposite does not make open carry less wise. Again, it comes down to what you are more comfortable with. I still believe that if you have a right and fail to use it, you will lose it.
The reason why? Because the crime wasn't committed. You are not going to find a criminal who states: "I was going to attack that person, but I saw that he/she had a gun..." It just doesn't happen. It is pure speculation to state that open carry does not deter crime. Sure, some cases have been found that showed someone was targeted for open carry, but those cases are few and far between. Just because data isn't available to show the opposite does not make open carry less wise. Again, it comes down to what you are more comfortable with. I still believe that if you have a right and fail to use it, you will lose it.
I live in Texas, NO open carry. I don't know why but out gov can't pass it. We only recently(within the last 20 years) are allowed to carry concealed with a license. I suppose a throw back to carpet bagger days. Yankees don't want us to carry but now the Texas legislature could approve open carry. Guess there are still too many democrats elected.
Here's something I posted two years ago, in a thread about a man who was open carrying and who was killed with his own gun while doing so. [link]
It was written in reply to someone who said that open carry never deters crime, or if so -- where are the links? My answer was:
pax said:
My opinion hasn't changed since then.
pax
For me, open carry would be my best option for how I dress and my own comfort...
I wear tucked in shirts inside properly fitting jeans with a belt to carry stuff and keep my pants a bit tighter to keep my shirt tucked in under most movement...
A gun under there would be terribly uncomfortable on my bones and would require quite a bit to gain access... not to mention the fitment of my clothing would always have me printing anyway....
Brent
I wear tucked in shirts inside properly fitting jeans with a belt to carry stuff and keep my pants a bit tighter to keep my shirt tucked in under most movement...
A gun under there would be terribly uncomfortable on my bones and would require quite a bit to gain access... not to mention the fitment of my clothing would always have me printing anyway....
Brent
Glenn E. Meyer
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Meyer - it is. Bravado - I said that if people want your gun they will not announce and wrestle with you. It may be the OC person's fantasy that they can win the day if a determined and planned person or group wants their gun.
I postulate that one could also grab a clarinet from a living Glenn Miller.
The quoted incident is not a planned grab but some doofus. I won't describe a planned grab on the Internet. Use your imagine.
I postulate that one could also grab a clarinet from a living Glenn Miller.
The quoted incident is not a planned grab but some doofus. I won't describe a planned grab on the Internet. Use your imagine.
David White
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Oh my God. You are SO wrong on SO many points that I already have a headache.
Please, cite links or posts to substantiate your position... Please try to.
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