Open Carry Vs. Concealed carry

How do you pack?

  • Open Carry

    Votes: 17 10.8%

  • Concealed Carry

    Votes: 141 89.2%
  • Total voters
    158
Off topic But I have compiled quite a collection of "more than just a little bit out of control" posts as well as Pics that XD has posted of himself and am taking the liberty of forwarding same to several Denver area LE agencies in hopes of saving them the possible embarassment and Civil Liabilities that would certainly be invovled if this Cadet is placed on the street in postion of authority. A recent back injury has given me an obscene amount of spare time and I feel it is the reponsible thing to do. If one is to post Nonsense and Idiocy on a public forum, it would be best not to include Photo ID.
 
Since the "crack of your ass" is exactly where there is a beltloop on most paints I don't believe you carry a gun there between your belt and your pants. I also don't believe you jog with a gun in "mexico carry" mode without it landing on the sidewalk or wherever you are jogging. You are either lying about how you carry or lying about jogging.

Finally anyone who says, "$500 cash bet, easy win, for me" is clearly a novice. There is always someone faster and more accurate and the quickest way to find them is to have money on the outcome.

Essentially I am saying you made this stuff up and are an immature person who hasn't been around firearms very much.
 
SilentArmy, insulting people you don't know anything about while boasting of your abilities does absolutely nothing to make your sermon more entertaining. In fact such personal attacks and goundless insults are the tactics of a person with weak logic.

You're not the only one on here with valid life experiences. And classifying someone as a cowboy and a juvenile simply because they lawfully open carry is insulting and only adds to the noise.
 
Off topic But I have compiled quite a collection of "more than just a little bit out of control" posts as well as Pics that XD has posted of himself and am taking the liberty of forwarding same to several Denver area LE agencies in hopes of saving them the possible embarassment and Civil Liabilities that would certainly be invovled if this Cadet is placed on the street in postion of authority. A recent back injury has given me an obscene amount of spare time and I feel it is the reponsible thing to do. If one is to post Nonsense and Idiocy on a public forum, it would be best not to include Photo ID.
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Nice job. Let me know how this turns out for ya.:cool:
 
Since the "crack of your ass" is exactly where there is a beltloop on most paints I don't believe you carry a gun there between your belt and your pants. I also don't believe you jog with a gun in "mexico carry" mode without it landing on the sidewalk or wherever you are jogging. You are either lying about how you carry or lying about jogging.

Finally anyone who says, "$500 cash bet, easy win, for me" is clearly a novice. There is always someone faster and more accurate and the quickest way to find them is to have money on the outcome.

Essentially I am saying you made this stuff up and are an immature person who hasn't been around firearms very much.
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:rolleyes: I'll be sure to take a picture for you tomorrow. Just so happens, my belt is tight enough when my gun is placed in that position, to keep it held there. And the belt loop is only how wide? The barrel of the gun sits to the left of that belt loop, and the trigger guard is pressed up against the belt loop. Sorry but you don't happen to know everything. Just to make you look like a fool as well, I'll not only take pictures, but I'll see if I can upload some videos.:rolleyes:

And the $500 comment, clearly you lack the smarts to understand that means, uhh hello, open carry is easier/faster to draw from than concealed. It was to prove a point that I know that it's a true fact. ..some people....
 
Well XD at least he didn't make a foolish $500 bet against a person he knows nothing about regarding hitting a target at an unspecified distance, call a pistol grip a "handle" or boast about "drawing" on someone shopping INSIDE a Wal-Mart.

Personally, I stopped believing anything you said after the "my gun sits tight where I put it between my belt/pants..and every night I run a mile and a half, and the gun never falls out" hogwash. :barf:
 
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Open carry is unnecessary and socially unacceptable. I further argue against the OC proponents that I can draw and engage from concealment with greater efficiency than you can from your cowboy rig

Point missed entirely Bluesbear... While I do not believe that one should not be able to carry openly, I concede that it is generally unacceptable in todays society and the general populace armed or otherwise should not be made to fear as a result of Kids wearing their Egos ina holster on their belt! I do not boast superior skills in drawing from concealment but I do train as I carry and made that statement to make a point. Which you missed.
I Yield from said pissing match so as not to be responsible for closures such as this http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=265123
 
Well XD at least he didn't make a foolish $500 bet against a person he knows nothing about regarding hitting a target at an unspecified distance, call a pistol grip a "handle" or boast about "drawing" on someone shopping INSIDE a Wal-Mart.
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$500 bet, look at it this way "I bet a million dollars you can't hit that can 200 feet away"..should I go back to my old post, and change the $500 to $1,000,000.00?


Personally, I stopped believing anything you said after the "my gun sits tight where I put it between my belt/pants..and every night I run a mile and a half, and the gun never falls out" hogwash.
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It's true. My belt is tight, when I have the added thickness of the gun between the belt/pants. Just like putting a matress ontop of your SUV and driving down the highway..if the tie downs are tight enough, it doesn't move..right?? Some concept. Think about it, it's not hard.
 
or otherwise should not be made to fear as a result of Kids wearing their Egos ina holster on their belt!
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Clearly this was for me? First off, I'm not a kid. Have my own house, own truck, money in the bank, going through a divorce, old enough I think. 2nd, if I had a huge ego, and wanted to show off with my gun in my holster, I'd carry my XD40 duo-tone. Easier to see, and people notice it more, but no, I carry my all black XD40. 3rd, I always wear black dress pants, and a nice button up shirt, tucked in. Sometimes a jacket, depending on what I feel like. So clearly, I look professional, and I take care of myself.

Sometimes, you try too hard.
 
Have my own house, own truck, money in the bank, going through a divorce, old enough I think
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How does this prove you are not a "kid"? I had all those things when I was a "kid" in my early 20s, except the divorce, that came later. In fact I was easily a "kid" until at least age 30. I am now retired at age 46 and offer this advice, start saving now by direct deposit into the mutual fund family of your choice. The key to growing up(financially) is learning to live beneath your means instead of bragging about what you can spend money on, like $500 bets with people you don't even know. PM me if you would like some "fatherly" advice about having enough money to retire at age 46. For a start if helps if your house is small enough to be paid off before you retire(mine is).

You will find jogging easier without a tight belt on. I don't know anyone who runs a mile and a half a day in dress pants with a tight belt. But then I don't know anyone who runs a mile and a half a day anyway, people who run tend to run more like 5 - 7 a day.
 
See I thought the same thing too. But actually my gun sits tight where I put it between my belt/pants..and every night I run a mile and a half, and the gun never falls out. Plus I guess this is where the grip safty comes in handy on my XD!
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XD, it's been brought to my attention that you are pulling our legs. I feel slightly embarrassed that I actual fell for it.:)

Everyone, if you carry like this, don't forget the most important thing... Be sure an wipe really well when you go to the bathroom. It's no sense making your expensive firearm smell like crap.
 
I don't understand..is it really THAT hard? Has anyone tried it? I mean I'm no rocket scientest, but uhh perhaps you should tighten your belt, then force a gun between your belt and pants..

I'll get a picture tonight. And some video, altho I dont have someone to follow me with the camera to run after me, I'll set the camera on the table, and jump up and down, run in one spot, and shake my hips around..

we'll see who has the last laugh:rolleyes:
 
FWIW, I carried a 1911 in an old-days, 1980-vintage IPSC leather holster. Strong side, just behind my hip point. With a sport jacket it was never "profiled". For drawing quickly, Bill Jordan demonstrated his abilities quite often. Good learning place, his writings...

Same sort of thing for concealed carry of a LW Commander, but with no holster. Same location as above. Square-tailed sport shirt, worn loose. I emceed many a night from stage in my nightclub, and nobody ever spotted that I was carrying.

As for open carry speed vs. concealed carry speed, there seems to be at least a half a tenth of a second advantage to open carry. Maybe a full tenth. Head to head, that's a bunch.

Art
 
I suggest however that you put a few thousand more rounds through that .40 as I feel my extra 15 yrs of Maturity and actual LE and Military experience gives me an unfair advantage
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Silentarmy,
Your statement does not impress too many folks here I bet. Just because you were or are LE and or military says nothing about your ability to shoot well. You could be a crime scene investigator. You could have been a clerk in the military. I agree with a lot of what you have wrote here but I'd keep those types of comments out of any debate or argument as they don't hold much merit in and of themselves.
 
thats right

THats right Art, 1911 no hoster is the way to go. very hard to spot it may not be to comfy to jog in, but it is very possible( i do it all the time) and there is no holster that can compare to the lack of outline when not using a holster.
 
I have, on occasion, carried a Colt Commander tucked inside my belt. But only for a very short period. It's too easy to have it shift around. Certainly not good enough for running. That's why tha Yaqui (sometimes spelled Yaki) Slide holster was devised. It gives the gun a small anchor point.

I have also carried a single action revolver tucked i nside my waistband with the loading gate open to prevent it from sliding down.

And I agree that both methods make it very easy to conceal rather large handguns. However if I plan on doing any sort of normal physical activity I want something that holds the gun a little more secure. I want a holster that is comfortable, concealable and secure.

I learned the lesson of cheap holsters a long time ago when, right in the middle of a foot chase, I had a Walther PPK start jumping around inside my windbreaker like a scared squirrel.

There are plenty of good holsters available that will make concealment easier. The problem is finding the one that works the best for YOU. All too often people choose a holster (that's doesn't work as well) based on what someone else says instead finding the ones that fit their needs best.
Sometimes it's not an easy process. Right now I only have about 30 holsters. I recently got rid of a couple of dozen that I didn't use anymore. Most of us older guys either have or used to have the dreaded Box'O'Holsters.
 
I think one thing to consider, for myself, is concealed vs concealed, open vs open, open vs concealed and already armed BG vs concealed or open... agressor will always have the advantage as that is why they are agressor. If the bad guys is packin and showing (open carry) he's given his position away. My biggest fear is walking into a BG with gun already drawn. Situational awareness may help, but Murphy's Law is still around.
The only advantage I have is to hide my being armed until it is needed, life or death, last second. In Ohio it's hands down Concealed Carry.
 
I have open carried a lot, for many years, and the most negative consequence I have experienced was a few slightly hostile words from an ignorant old man. As someone else said further up the thread, "people around here find open carry as offensive as the American Flag."

  • I have never had my gun snatched or had anyone attempt to do so.
  • I have never had the police called, much less been tackled by police officers.
  • I have never heard anyone scream in terror at the sight of an exposed weapon.
  • I have never been asked to leave any establishment.
  • I have never been the first one targeted in a robbery.


Conversely I have had numerous positive experiences precipitated by open carry.
  • I have had several positive and polite conversations (mostly in checkout lines) about the legality of carry, open and concealed.
  • I have had several compliments on my carry piece.
  • I have had many police officers give me a polite smile and nod.
  • I have had at least one person comment that my family looked very well protected.
  • I have had many sketchy looking people begin to approach me, notice my sidearm, and decide they had other places to be.


My experiences are the norm for people who open carry in this area. If you feel that open carry is stupid or looking for trouble, please consider my real world experience in the matter before you berate my actions.

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Strange at it may seem to our over-civilized friends throughout the world, it still warms our heart to see pistols worn openly in the check lines of supermarkets in Prescott. Sad to say most of the exemplars may properly be characterized as geezers, but then Prescott has always qualified as a geezer town - that is one reason why we moved here.
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Jessel,
wow, I envy you, or should I say your state. Ohio has had CW for only 3 years...I remember because my 4 year license is up next year :) I wish I could say my state is so progressive, but lordy lordy...I know how one suburb would respond to an open carry call in a retail enviroment " 911 what is your emergency." "theres a man in here, with a gun." mabey in another generation it won't be that way.
 
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