Only one handgun. Which would you choose?

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I vote for the ruger due to the fact that a unloaded semi is nothing more then a club. Besides that you said you cant carry jhp ammo. That doesnt leave much else then fmj in 9mm and those are poor for defense purposes. On the other hand jsp ammo is easy to find in 357 or wad cutters for that matter and both would do a fine job for defensive purposes.
 
That no-round-in-the-chamber-for-legal-carry-autos business is a deal-breaker for me. Seems idiotic that the law makes that distinction.
There, fixed it for you. :)
I would go with the revolver strictly because of the "no chambered round" rule. An empty pistol is a club, and not a particularly effective one at that.

No JHP? How about old school lead HPs, or wad cutters?

As far as the ammo expense goes, we have members here from Italy and other Euro countries who handload. A single stage press is very affordable--$50-60 (eBay, etc) and if you can order components legally (don't know what the implications are in your country...) can reduce the ammo cost significantly.
 
I posted in another offering by you.

Sorting out the type (auto vs revolver) and then the striker vs the hammer fired is the first steps.

The inability to have a chambered round is a tough one.

That said, at least at home, you could have a semi auto in the locked back condition and release the slide and you have a round ready to go (albeit fewer rounds than a semi auto 9mm would carry).

I like revolvers, but for self defense I don't think the 9mm semi autos make the most sense for an experienced shooter (speed bump hit again with the the chambered round thing). Keep in mind being able to mount a laser on the rail (which was a critical issue for me)
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If yo do settle on the 9mm Semi auto and its hammer fired, I would strongly consider the Sig 2009. I have the SP2022 and its about as good as it gets (overall) on poly and pushes all steel as good or better. If I have one item I am not keen on is the grip. For me its just a bit off (vs a FN and HK P30) - good vs the rest of them.

I think this link says it about as well as I can.

http://tacticalgunreview.com/?p=738

Any poly gun that compares that favorably with an Elite Stainless is a winner!
 
Despite the whole "no round in the chamber) thing, I would still carry a semi. I would just carry with the action open and the slide release lever ready to go.
 
Despite the whole "no round in the chamber) thing, I would still carry a semi. I would just carry with the action open and the slide release lever ready to go.

Is that not bad for the gun? Ingress of dirt etc. Also does it not require a stack more training to tap the slide retainer on the draw? Also do they make holsters for that sort of carry?
 
4" Round Butt K Frame in .22 RF.

If I could only have one, that'd be it. We have two 3" RB HB M13s and a 3" .44 Spcl. Still, if I could have only one side arm,it'd have to be a handy size .22RF revolver.

I can't imagine any side arm with more utility/fun value than a .22RF.

salty
 
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My apologies..

I voted prior to reading the restriction of no round in the chamber of pistols..

I carry a 9MM pistol some of the time, but always with a round in the pipe..

Given the restrictions I'd have to go with the revolver..

My mistake, sorry.

Jesse
 
would go with a revolver. I carry mostly a S&W model 64 38 special can use 38+p ammo or with a 686 357mag in 4" and also use 38+p if you like.
 
My apologies..

I voted prior to reading the restriction of no round in the chamber of pistols..

Naughty, naughty! ;)

Either way, I have been watching this thread with interest for obvious reasons and consistently the split has be almost spot on 60-40 in favour of revolvers!

I think this may have been the most graffic illustration of my quandry! I want most of all a pistol for the range, and yet the shadow of aggression from "ne'er-do-wells" makes enough of an impression for so many to switch to revolvers in my scenario. That and a wheel's additional cost is what makes this such a tough one for me.

Luckily I have a master plan: searching the streets until I find a winning lottery ticket! What could possibly go wrong?

Seriously, though, folks: 137 votes at the time of posting this. :eek:
That is fantastic!!
Thanks for all that have taken the time to lend their POV. Please do keep voting if you feel inclined toward the pistol or revolver!!:)
 
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Pond,

First off, let's address something that needs to be addressed. What is the crime rate like where you live and work? I'm not talking about homicides exclusively, but about street robberies, assaults using weapons (knives, clubs, chains), assaults by groups, rape, etc. There are certain sections of almost any city that are "rough" areas, but what about the places you frequent? Is it considered unwise to walk down a street to a market at 9pm? Or is there a reasonably low crime rate where most people are unworried about "street crime"? What about where you live (home, apartment, room, etc).

Are there any special considerations about Mr. Pond that come into play? Things like you can be considered a robbery target (i.e. jeweler, courier, etc.) or potential target (e.g. access to defence facilities, sums of money, legal drugs, etc).

If street crime is low and you're unlikely to be targeted for a quick robbery or heist of products, the semi-auto is more than likely going to be "good enough". That is provided you keep constantly aware of your surroundings and can generally see trouble developing.

On the other hand, if you're more likely to face someone who will have tried to plan their crime (you are not a mere "opportunity" client) and come at you by surprise, you're going to want something immediately available and that says revolver.

Now, just let me say that if someone told me that a Glock pistol would cost me around $800 USD, I'd ask him if he was wearing a condom because he's trying to ***** me. But for you, it is what it is as far as prices go.

On the short list of potential pistols, for you the 9mm makes the most sense financially and for availability. Pistols that I'd price would include;

CZ P-01 - I find the regular CZ-75 safety awkward and difficult to reach. The P-01 has a frame mounted safety/decocker and is reasonably compact enough to carry.
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CZ P-01 9mm Pistol

Beretta PX-4 SC - This pistol, for my hand, felt a little unusual and a tad awkward. Others love it and say it shoots well. It's compact enough to carry but large enough to control.
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Beretta PX-4

One consideration in favor of the revolver is that some can be carried and fired from inside a coat pocket. Vitally important in those areas that see sub-Arctic winters.

A 4-inch GP-100 might be a tad heavy and bulky for CCW unless you can easily and casually keep it covered wherever you go. The SP-101 is a much more appropriate gun for daily carry. Having a gunsmith remove the hammer spur will facilitate pocket carry.
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Ruger SP-101, 5-shots, .357 Magnum

One of my favorite personal carry guns is similar in size and capacity. The S&W 649 Bodyguard shrouds the hammer for pocket carry and was designed specifically to reduce snagging the hammer when drawing from an overcoat.
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S&W 649 Bodyguard, .357 Magnum

When it comes to .38/.357 ammo, use the Fiocchi. Their loads seem to be a little more "robust" than some other US made ammo. The 125gr JSP in either .38 or .357 would be a good choice. Prices here run about $20-$22 USD per box of 50.

I'd suggest using .38 Special for practice and general carry. Their 130gr FMJ for practice is $3-4 cheaper per box ($30/case cheaper). Some folks suggest using 148 grain full lead wadcutters for a snubby .38 Special. For dense urban areas and/or apartments this might be a good selection, though I still lean towards the Fiocchi JSP.

If you have never fired a .357 Magnum before a few words. Excellent power and capability to stop someone but that comes with a price. A typical .38 special gunshot is about as loud as a 9mm. The .357 is a completely different level. The noise is painfully loud without hearing protection. Your ears will ring after firing. The muzzle blast, especially from shorter barrels, can be ferocious. If you've ever had a soccer ball (football) hit you in the side of the head unexpectedly think of that. In a parking garage near a wall, it's obnoxious. The muzzle flash is notorious, especially from 2-3" barrels and is often visible in daylight. All of these secondary elements mean that the .38 Special is more often the better choice so that follow-up shots are faster and are easier to aim.

I hope this has been helpful.
 
@ BillCA

I hope this has been helpful.

Very much so: great post!!

In answer to your initial question: Crime in Estonia is only relatively high, I'd say, compared to more western countries in Europe, especially as its population is only 1.3 million!! All that said it is a country whose population is not overly wealthy, and there is a big rich-poor divide. There is some minor organised crime activity. The biggest blight is drug abuse and its associated anti-social behaviours.

I'd have to say I am no more a target than any other joe public. I don't run about in flash gear and I don't live in a palatial home, but nor do I live in a crappy part of town. Still, in a city the size of the capital, no neighbourhood is far from another.

I must say, I had never considered carrying before I started applying for a licence. Culturally it is not the norm for me. I'm still not sure I will, but as I will have the right with my licence, why not? I think this is particularly true of camping in the forest.

The reason I am restricting myself to a 4" barrel is the only revolver I can afford is from a shop that either stocks the 4" or 6" Ruger GP100. That is it. Any other revolver have to be either a new stubbie Taurus, or a second hand Lady Smith .357.

Then there is the fact that the market is not so well catered for: don't know any beretta dealers, for a start.

I'm starting to think that maybe I'm focusing on the carry aspect too much: I couldn't carry at work, I wouldn't carry while I'm riding my motorbike (other than in a case). I don't wander about dodgy areas, nor do I tend to go out often late at night (I'm not as boring as I sound, ...honest...). Feels like I'm honing all my choices around a use that will be a minority, by a long stretch.

Re .357s: Nope, not fired one yet. The range has only ever provided .38s. Quite curious, really!!
 
Availability, Practicality, Versitility

Pond, I was reading through the forum and came upon your thread. Your situation reminds me of some of the places I have lived around the world where gun ownership was restricted, selection of handguns was limited, and so was the ammo. I just wrote a short blog note that links to an article in GunsAmerica with some additional info that might help you to make a decision. http://crime-thugs-guns.blogspot.com/2011/09/center-mass-myth-and-ending-gunfight.html Good luck with your decision.
 
Pond, James Pond wrote:

...BUT, legally you cannot carry a semi with a round in the chamber:... Reason: Deleted mildly vulgar language

Did I miss it or what is the penalty if you are found to be carrying the semi with round in the chamber? I am guessing a citation?

-Cheers
 
@PT-92

Well, the law is a bit vague. It says that any mishandling of ammo or weapons can result in a relatively high fine or even jail time.

Now, my guess is that for being found with a chambered round it would only be a fine. As I pointed out before, I don't want to antagonise the boys in blue, particularly as getting done for two or more infringements over a period of 3 years can technically get your licence revoked.
I also suspect it would aggravate your situation if it came to some sort of court review. I really don't need that....
 
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@BillCA---I think I would grab the same thing buddy. Dont have one yet but will :D.

I didnt read about none in the chamber either.
The I would probably opt. for a Smith and Wesson 586 4inch barrel 357 magnum or a Model 13 HB 357 magnum.
 
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