ONE SHOT STOP (just the facts, NOT a can of worms)

According to police stats the .357mag is top of the list followed very closely by the 45acp.
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There are no such stats. The only figures like that come from M&S and they are more an guesstimate than anything else.

Old Grump has it right. It's been the same answer for a long time.


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Oh lawdy, I'm going to stroke out with an aneurism.
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According to medical statistics them aneurisms can be brung on by taking interwebz forum 'statistics' too seriously. It's happened to me three or four times...:D
 
There are people here who are dying to know.
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The ones who know ARE dead! :D

There's no really methodological sound answer to the question.

The best we have is that quality ammo that is >= 38 SPL, 9mm HP seem efficacious if you hit the target. I've heard the major players discuss this or read their work.

Beyond that - we know that a COM hit with a 40 mm Bofors might work.

Some cop saying that 378 Blammoblaster served them well is not science.
 
prolly won't kill, but chances of a one-shot "stop" are very, very high:

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armsmaster270 said:
I can only give you this for a one shot stop.
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That is one well placed bullet, right there.

Sometimes, I wonder if all this stopping power stuff is overrated. Maybe it's shot placement that really matters.

Nah, can't be.:D;)
 
armsmasterchamp said:
I can only give you this for a one shot stop.
S&W model 15 4"
Federal 38spl +P+110gr JHP
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I'm going to use that in my new book Boulevard Blasters. So far it has 100% blaster rating. That makes it Bishop of the Boulevard the undisputed bad guy blasting champ. That is if its manufacture will buy advertising in my book. :p
 
As long as you are being attacked by stationary paper targets shot placement will be king. For everything else ill stick with a 45 out of a handgun or 30cal out of a rifle and shoot till the attack stops.
 
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At 1280x1024, the edge to edge distance of those two periods is approximately the DIAMETER difference between a 357 bullet (9mm, 357sig, 380, 357mag, 38spl) and a 45acp bullet. That means that on each side of the bullet there is HALF of that distance.

Seriously. Think about that.

Does anybody really believe that diameter difference means ANYTHING at all?
 
Well, if we're talking absolute one shot stops, I bet a .454 casull to center mass of a person would stop them every time. lol

Does anybody really believe that diameter difference means ANYTHING at all?
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FACT: larger diameter makes bigger hole and can allow for heavier bullets

I'd rather put a larger hole in a bad guy than a smaller one. I'd also rather hit a bad guy with a 230 gr bullet than a 125 gr one. Not that 125 is not sufficient, but given the same handgun (ie a springfield XD in 9mm,. 40, or .45) I'd rather have a bigger bullet. Shot placement being constant, I like bigger rounds. That's just me. I would not feel undergunned with a 9mm though.
 
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peetzakilla said:
Does anybody really believe that diameter difference means ANYTHING at all?
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The only thing diameter does for you is allow bullets of greater weight, which leads to greater momentum and penetration. With SWC hunting bullets that makes a difference, not so much with modern JHP defense bullets though.

All of the service calibers perform about the same now with modern JHP bullets. Trying to claim one is better than another, or naming the 'best' one is a fruitless endeavor.
 
So the conclusion is that the round just doesn't matter, only shot placement matters. Well, I'm not trading my .45 Colt for a .32 S&W. You carry whatever you want to, it's your butt.
 
PK, the absolute linear difference does not look like much. However, the difference in actual frontal surface area (assuming similar contours, to scale) is over 55%.

Total area is still small, but as a proportion, it is not insignificant.
 
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