Once the arsenal of democracy now the home of tyranny
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Baba Louie
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Sorry, it will not happen in America today. That was then, this is now. Inflamatory speech will get you "Patriot Acted" upon, rallying several of like mind... you naughty terrorist or conspirator to terrorism, you. Hold you without trial.
Did not Carl Drega end up dead, labeled a serial killer? (which he was)
Nope. Gotta have your own corporation and buy a politician or three. More is better. Or become an actor/singer and spread your golden words of love and peace and rose colored harmony.
Or, run for Office... If you can't beat them...
Liberty... Yow right.
Freedom fighter = terrorist in the 21st Century America.
When I was growing up on the farm as a youth....I noticed that the cows tended to follow the same paths to places. In fact they had even worn a path through terraces. Some Americans have grown content with the comfortable paths. Some Americans are only concerned with themselves.
I think we have let our politicians get entirely too comfortable.
I think we have let our politicians get entirely too comfortable.
progunner1957
Moderator
You're right on both counts. The socialist liberal's wet dream is to see America on its knees, submitting to UN rule.
If that ugly day does come to pass, I imagine we'll see a whole lotta shootin' goin on.
It's happening all over though...
There is now a law, backed by the Supreme Court of the land, that says insomuch as a state decides it can make more money for the federal government than YOU make, it gets to take your house.
All the people, myself included, who have bitched about Iraq or bitched about this and that need to shut up and get behind this giant domestic issue. It is the single biggest threat to our democracy and way of life.
In Florida some 6,000 mostly african american residents are being forced/evicted from their houses because the state of Florida is going to doze it and build a Yacht club. They convinced the Feds the Yacht club will bring more revenue than 6,000 blacks will, so their "right" to forcibly evict and build their club is backed by the government of the United States. I don't know how we have come to this.
All I know is that you can't let fear control you at all. If you refuse to speak your mind and take action because you'll be branded a terrorist or locked away and lost in the system, than you're already beaten.
Hell no I wouldn't let the state seize my property! There is a place to draw the line.
There is now a law, backed by the Supreme Court of the land, that says insomuch as a state decides it can make more money for the federal government than YOU make, it gets to take your house.
All the people, myself included, who have bitched about Iraq or bitched about this and that need to shut up and get behind this giant domestic issue. It is the single biggest threat to our democracy and way of life.
In Florida some 6,000 mostly african american residents are being forced/evicted from their houses because the state of Florida is going to doze it and build a Yacht club. They convinced the Feds the Yacht club will bring more revenue than 6,000 blacks will, so their "right" to forcibly evict and build their club is backed by the government of the United States. I don't know how we have come to this.
All I know is that you can't let fear control you at all. If you refuse to speak your mind and take action because you'll be branded a terrorist or locked away and lost in the system, than you're already beaten.
Hell no I wouldn't let the state seize my property! There is a place to draw the line.
"First they arrested the Communists -- but I was not a Communist, so I did nothing. Then they came for the Social Democrats, but I was not a Social Democrat, so I did nothing. Then they arrested the trade unionists -- and I did nothing because I was not one. And then they came for the Jews and the Catholics, but I was neither a Jew nor a Catholic and I did nothing. At last they came and arrested me -- and there was no one left to do anything about it."
- Rev Martin Niemoller (Nazi Prison Survivor)
- Rev Martin Niemoller (Nazi Prison Survivor)
Jammer Six
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[yawn]
All rights are regulated. All of them.
And that's a GOOD thing.
Let just know when the first piece of sky actually hits the ground, Mr. Little.
Until then, we need eggs.
All rights are regulated. All of them.
And that's a GOOD thing.
Let just know when the first piece of sky actually hits the ground, Mr. Little.
Until then, we need eggs.
Rich Lucibella
Staff
Keep yawning, Jammer. This is not how the Framers created it or intended it. They recognized certain rights that are God Granted and subject to Zero Regulation.
As long as you continue to rationalize "some regulation" as necessary, ALL regulation is on the table.
Rich
Jammer Six
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It pleases me to be understood!
Yes, Rich, ALL regulation is on the table!
Well done!
Yes, Rich, ALL regulation is on the table!
Well done!
Rich Lucibella
Staff
Not casting aspersion's Jammer, but.....
spoken like, ummm, Howie Schumer, from the Old Left, or George Bush, from the New Right.
Your stand in the War On Constitutional Rights is now written in stone.
Live your legacy and grant your kids its next generation.
Rich
spoken like, ummm, Howie Schumer, from the Old Left, or George Bush, from the New Right.
Your stand in the War On Constitutional Rights is now written in stone.
Live your legacy and grant your kids its next generation.
Rich
Jammer Six
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Thanks, Rich.
Now that we've established that all regulation is on the table, we can get on with participating in the debate over that regulation, and trying to influence the implementation of it.
All rights are regulated. It's our duty to participate in how.
Now that we've established that all regulation is on the table, we can get on with participating in the debate over that regulation, and trying to influence the implementation of it.
All rights are regulated. It's our duty to participate in how.
Jammer,
Why not just take the regulation where they want it to go and just ban guns?
This way, we don't have to debate stupidity and just get to the point that all the anti's wish it to go.
Either that or I will be the first to pass a regulation that Jammer Six can't own guns. How's that for the first steps in regulation. Agree or disagree?
The reason for my proposed regulation... because I say so. For all those here that will second my regulation, say Aye so that all votes will be counted.
As you said Jammer, all regulation is good and I feel that my regulation is just as good. Am I wrong in my assumption on the matter, or right.
Wayne
Why not just take the regulation where they want it to go and just ban guns?
This way, we don't have to debate stupidity and just get to the point that all the anti's wish it to go.
Either that or I will be the first to pass a regulation that Jammer Six can't own guns. How's that for the first steps in regulation. Agree or disagree?
The reason for my proposed regulation... because I say so. For all those here that will second my regulation, say Aye so that all votes will be counted.
As you said Jammer, all regulation is good and I feel that my regulation is just as good. Am I wrong in my assumption on the matter, or right.
Wayne
Jammer Six
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Not what I said, Wayne.
I said that all rights are regulated, and that that's a good thing.
That's not the same as saying that all regulation is good.
Yes, you have to debate stupidity. It's your duty.
You are free, of course, to ignore it.
I said that all rights are regulated, and that that's a good thing.
That's not the same as saying that all regulation is good.
Yes, you have to debate stupidity. It's your duty.
You are free, of course, to ignore it.
Rights weren't regulated until the early 1900's, so are you saying that a hundred years of un-regulation was bad and that we needed to step in because if a right isn't regulated than it's not a true right?
I'm not understanding you Jammer. It's like you are saying, Rights/Freedoms are good, but only if they are ones that I can control.
Being an Constitutionalist, I don't agree with your standing. And when others try to project their idea of what they wish to subject others too, their "vision", then I decide that they are they ones that should be devoid of their Rights/Freedoms because they don't understand them.
I will admit that I am simplistic. That my highest level of education now consists of two years in college (yeah, so I passed my cores, big whoop) so I'm not a great scholar or even a great speller. Yet I find that I can't find anything wrong with the foundations that our country was built and the basic concept that it's the law and government that has destroyed the Republic that thousands died for.
My regulation still stands. If I am ever elected to office I will submit it. More so as a joke, but, more so as an example of people getting what they wish for.
Wayne
I'm not understanding you Jammer. It's like you are saying, Rights/Freedoms are good, but only if they are ones that I can control.
Being an Constitutionalist, I don't agree with your standing. And when others try to project their idea of what they wish to subject others too, their "vision", then I decide that they are they ones that should be devoid of their Rights/Freedoms because they don't understand them.
I will admit that I am simplistic. That my highest level of education now consists of two years in college (yeah, so I passed my cores, big whoop) so I'm not a great scholar or even a great speller. Yet I find that I can't find anything wrong with the foundations that our country was built and the basic concept that it's the law and government that has destroyed the Republic that thousands died for.
My regulation still stands. If I am ever elected to office I will submit it. More so as a joke, but, more so as an example of people getting what they wish for.
Wayne
Jammer Six
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I suggest you look closer at history.
Rights have ALWAYS been regulated.
From day one. Our regulation, if anything, is getting better.
Rights have ALWAYS been regulated.
From day one. Our regulation, if anything, is getting better.
"Rights have ALWAYS been regulated."
No, you don't get it. Rights are something that exist for ALL free citizens because those citizens are free, they are "inherent" and are not subject to being "regulated". If a thing is "regulated", it is not longer a right, but instead is a privilege to be bestowed or withheld at the whim of the authoritarian. Real rights transcend regulations. It is true that vile, shady characters have trod on the rights of free men since the very beginning, but that does not make it right, it does not excuse the practice.
No, you don't get it. Rights are something that exist for ALL free citizens because those citizens are free, they are "inherent" and are not subject to being "regulated". If a thing is "regulated", it is not longer a right, but instead is a privilege to be bestowed or withheld at the whim of the authoritarian. Real rights transcend regulations. It is true that vile, shady characters have trod on the rights of free men since the very beginning, but that does not make it right, it does not excuse the practice.
Jammer Six
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Children don't vote. Never have. At one point, blacks didn't vote. Women voting is quite recent. The framers, in their "wisdom", didn't think either should be allowed to vote. Regulated, right from the jump.
There's your first example. There are more. Every right is regulated. Every one of them. "Fire!" in a crowded theatre, so on and so forth.
Do research, I've provided your proof, your right to vote is regulated. Your right to free speech is regulated. Always has been. Always will be. It's a good thing.
My suggestion is a political science class, if you really want to learn more.
Regulation isn't a bad thing, what's bad is bad regulation.
Your duty as a citizen isn't to prevent regulation, because regulation is what prevents the whack jobs in California from voting in my state, and believe me, that's a GOOD thing.
Your duty is to take part in the debate and help shape the regulations and laws we live under. Your duty is to make your views known, to use the mechanisms effectively, to shape the regulation, to keep control of our government.
Our system of government isn't about results, it's about process.
Your duty is to take part in the process.
There's your first example. There are more. Every right is regulated. Every one of them. "Fire!" in a crowded theatre, so on and so forth.
Do research, I've provided your proof, your right to vote is regulated. Your right to free speech is regulated. Always has been. Always will be. It's a good thing.
My suggestion is a political science class, if you really want to learn more.
Regulation isn't a bad thing, what's bad is bad regulation.
Your duty as a citizen isn't to prevent regulation, because regulation is what prevents the whack jobs in California from voting in my state, and believe me, that's a GOOD thing.
Your duty is to take part in the debate and help shape the regulations and laws we live under. Your duty is to make your views known, to use the mechanisms effectively, to shape the regulation, to keep control of our government.
Our system of government isn't about results, it's about process.
Your duty is to take part in the process.