I have given the self defense situation a great deal of thought.
My take is that it is two totally different situations. In either case, once the guns comes out, its dire enough that if I shoot, its going to be to shoot to kill.
Outside: There would have to be some very overt action to stop. Obviously it depends on what they are armed with (if anything) distance and what's going on. If the person turns away, then there is a hold. they drop the weapon and stop instantly, there is a hold. Throw themselves to the ground there is a hold. If the threat continues I will shoot and I will keep shooting until there is zero question of that person continuing.
Home Defense: If a persons in my house, there will be zero hesitation. They have given up any latitude. There is no way to assess the situation at all as its sudden, no surrounding time to have seen what has lead to it and you have no idea if it’s a multiple threat. Unless there is gross evidence otherwise (see note), I will start shooting as soon as I can sight on then. Shooting will stop only if they are no longer a threat. Even if they are going down the shooting will continue if there is any threat possibility.
note: While unlikely, a child standing there, a woman with a baby in her arms, someone standing there crying and not moving and open hands. I can only conceive of something like that if a door got left unlocked and a distraught person got into the house. My tolerance for anyone in my house that does not belong is razor thin. Simply by being there they have given up any latitude, so the evidence has to be grossly high they are not a threat. Any failure to respond to a command is on the same thin grounds.
You obviously do not read or continue to ignore the real world data.
What that real world data says is, from 9mm up to the largest hand gun round (44 magnum), there have been no shoots with a 500 S&W I have seen), there is no such things as a true stopper.
It also makes no difference if you shoot badly and still hit, a 44 magnum has no better results than a 9mm. Conversely, if you shoot well, a 9mm is as effective as a 44 magnum as well as all the calibers in between. Argue all you want, that is what the accumulated data shows.
Its about shot placement, so anything that improves your ability to place a shot well is the way to go. I can shoot my 9mm better as well as faster than my 41 magnum. The 9mm or any other caliber that you can do that with is the right choice, not the biggest round you can fire.
Probably the only one shot stopper is a 20mm or larger cannon.
Shotguns in 12 gauge may serves as well (I have not seen any real data on those). They are ungainly and not easy to deal with safe wise (secure or hide when you are not home sans a safe). Its an option, I am not sure a good one but I leave that to those who choose it and respect that.
So, while I was at one time a carrying of large caliber guns (44 magnum included) I have chosen to keep a modern 9mm high capacity with rail for SD.
As it is effective as anything larger, with a 16 round capacity it allows me to deal with more than a single threat without having to try to deal with a spare magazine.
It is not a guarantee, but it gives you the best odds and that's is the best you can hope for with a gun that is not a true stopper (30-06 also was not a true man stopper, it wounded far ore people than it killed). Until you make such a huge whole or take off large body parts nothing is a sure one shot stop) .
My take is that it is two totally different situations. In either case, once the guns comes out, its dire enough that if I shoot, its going to be to shoot to kill.
Outside: There would have to be some very overt action to stop. Obviously it depends on what they are armed with (if anything) distance and what's going on. If the person turns away, then there is a hold. they drop the weapon and stop instantly, there is a hold. Throw themselves to the ground there is a hold. If the threat continues I will shoot and I will keep shooting until there is zero question of that person continuing.
Home Defense: If a persons in my house, there will be zero hesitation. They have given up any latitude. There is no way to assess the situation at all as its sudden, no surrounding time to have seen what has lead to it and you have no idea if it’s a multiple threat. Unless there is gross evidence otherwise (see note), I will start shooting as soon as I can sight on then. Shooting will stop only if they are no longer a threat. Even if they are going down the shooting will continue if there is any threat possibility.
note: While unlikely, a child standing there, a woman with a baby in her arms, someone standing there crying and not moving and open hands. I can only conceive of something like that if a door got left unlocked and a distraught person got into the house. My tolerance for anyone in my house that does not belong is razor thin. Simply by being there they have given up any latitude, so the evidence has to be grossly high they are not a threat. Any failure to respond to a command is on the same thin grounds.
You obviously do not read or continue to ignore the real world data.
What that real world data says is, from 9mm up to the largest hand gun round (44 magnum), there have been no shoots with a 500 S&W I have seen), there is no such things as a true stopper.
It also makes no difference if you shoot badly and still hit, a 44 magnum has no better results than a 9mm. Conversely, if you shoot well, a 9mm is as effective as a 44 magnum as well as all the calibers in between. Argue all you want, that is what the accumulated data shows.
Its about shot placement, so anything that improves your ability to place a shot well is the way to go. I can shoot my 9mm better as well as faster than my 41 magnum. The 9mm or any other caliber that you can do that with is the right choice, not the biggest round you can fire.
Probably the only one shot stopper is a 20mm or larger cannon.
Shotguns in 12 gauge may serves as well (I have not seen any real data on those). They are ungainly and not easy to deal with safe wise (secure or hide when you are not home sans a safe). Its an option, I am not sure a good one but I leave that to those who choose it and respect that.
So, while I was at one time a carrying of large caliber guns (44 magnum included) I have chosen to keep a modern 9mm high capacity with rail for SD.
As it is effective as anything larger, with a 16 round capacity it allows me to deal with more than a single threat without having to try to deal with a spare magazine.
It is not a guarantee, but it gives you the best odds and that's is the best you can hope for with a gun that is not a true stopper (30-06 also was not a true man stopper, it wounded far ore people than it killed). Until you make such a huge whole or take off large body parts nothing is a sure one shot stop) .
