Old Rem 700 trigger problem .

yep , not only keeping it . I did not clean it . I put it in the Timney package and it will stay there for ever most likely .

Thanks though it's a good point :)

We are taking it out Friday I'll update then

as I said, with 5 million sold and just a handful of mishaps- not a big issue- just something to be aware of.
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I think that is a bit of a under guestiment . There are at least a few hundred documented cases and I bet a few thousand that this issue has happened to . Thing is they said nothing and either cleaned or replaced the trigger like I did .

To me it's like the anti's saying there are almost no documented cases of CCW guys defending them selves or others . most likely 99% of those incidents were never reported . The CCW guy pulled the gun and the bad guy ran . End of problem -go home get some dinner . no need to call the cops be filing reports explaining why you pulled the gun out . Best to leave that dead dog lie
 
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Old Rem 700 trigger

Metal god wrote:

yep , not only keeping it . I did not clean it . I put it in the Timney package and it will stay there for ever most likely .
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LOL - you know they like to readjust your trigger if it come in for any repairs
LOL - justice could be served!

:D :D :D
 
Metal- you might be right on that- could be a lot of unreported cases. How this whole issue came about was I have a Rem700 that I bought at close out several years ago for $200 brand new (the store was closing) and I figured I'd fix it up with pillar bedding, trigger job, work up best re-loads, etc. The whole thing got put on the back burner but in the mean time an article in a varmit hunting magazine told how to adjust a Remington trigger. I bought the gun with the idea of putting in a Timney because the factory trigger was "sealed"- I didn't know they could be adjusted. When I found out you could adjust them I was thinking a 2 1/4 pound pull which I have since found out you cannot do- you aren't supposed to go less than 3 lbs.
In any event I'm now about ready to start the work and I searched the net on the trigger adjustment as what I have is 7-8 pounds and way too heavy. That's when is whole trigger issue came to my attention. Some guys set the trigger to 3 1/2 lbs and never have a problem but there are a disturbing number of mishaps.
What to do?
Right now with that 8 pound pull I can't tell what is what. I think I'll adjust the factory trigger to 4 or 3 1/2 lbs and just be careful. I'll then pillar bed and work up reloads- if the gun is a tack driver and worth spending more $$ then I'll go ahead at that point and put in a Timney.
For those that have put in a Timney- ever have any trouble? Do you routinely clean the trigger?
 
There are at least a few hundred documented cases and I bet a few thousand that this issue has happened to .
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If it were 10,000 rifles, that would still only be .002 of the 5 million sold. Not a number that gives me great concern...
 
So That .002% that Remington has is small you say ? How many of those do you think got a new trigger right away because it's way to heavy ? Now that .002 just got a little bigger . Now compare that .002% problem with any other trigger . Even high point triggers have a smaller % that fails and discharges the weapon when you don't want it to .

Is this not a big deal because it's a rifle and not a handgun . It's a Lot easier to practice good gun safety with a rifle . Would you even consider to carry a inside the waist band handgun that has been known to discharge when you don't have your finger on the trigger ?
 
WOW never knew Glocks had a problem with them firing when your finger was off the trigger . Was it a design issue or a maintenance issue ? Must be all those Glock fanboys not willing to say anything bad about them . From what I've read and heard . Glock can do NO wrong . :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Does your last post mean to say you do and or would carry the Glock model that has these problems ?
 
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I don't care for Glocks, and would not carry one.

It was a bit of a jibe at Glock's "perfection".

There are more than just a few cases (some famous) where something pulled the trigger or someone pulled the trigger when they didn't mean to, and because conditions were right, the little tab on the trigger that they call a safety, wasn't.

one foolish fellow was IWB carry with a Glock, no holster, and in sweatpants! Walking about the Home Depot, he felt the gun slip, and went to grab it. He shot himself in the testicles! While it wasn't reported, we figured he must have been using "ball" ammo. :eek:

An essentially identical gun, with either a grip safety or an engaged manual safety would have been much less likely to go off.

My point was that while the number of Rem triggers with problems (reported or not) seems like a lot, compared to the number of Rem triggers out there, its really very, very small. And, of course, proper gun safety practices negates the risks, even if they do malfunction.
 
As for safety's I have a XD9 that has the grip and trigger safety . To me those are not safety's . I used to carry for work ( security a long time ago ) and the thought was you wanted a manual safety just in case the bad guy got your gun . You may get that extra second or two while he is trying to figure out why the gun didn't fire . With my XD and Glocks alike your dead the second he gets the gun . The natural grip and firing of the weapon disengages all those so called safety's . I carried a 92fs and yes it is one more thing to think about when drawing your weapon . How ever if that's what you practice it should not be an issue .

I also had a holster that took two distinct and separate movements to remove the weapon . first was the snap the second was you needed to rock the gun forward to remove it from the holster . If you did not know that . It made it almost impossible to take the weapon from behind .

Yes it did take some practice to get even remotely quick with that setup but I did feel it was very unlikely I or anyone else was going to get shot with my side arm unless it was me discharging it .

oh and leaving for the range test in 20 min . I'll update you guys on the new trigger and most likely say a little about the new :D SR45 :D
 
All this talk of what sounds like rather light triggers leaves me curious. I fired a Garand in National Match Course Competition for 5 or 6 years. The rifle's trigger, as required, would lifted 4.5#. It was smooth and trouble free.

I later on went to bolt action rifles,mostly Model 70's. The man who bedded my rifles, a fellow competitor would polish and adjust the factory trigger on the Model 70 to, as I recall, 42 ounces.

The sears on Mike's trigger jobs ALWAYS held, never had a problem. They broke "like glass". Any problems I had with those rifles were purely my own, having nothing to do with the rifle, it's bedding or it's trigger. This applied to the Winchester as well as to the Garand. Seems like this business of light triggers might be over done, that being my guess.
 
For any of you waiting for a update . My buddy did not want to take the rifle today :confused: so no update sorry . We went to an indoor range today becuase we both picked up new handguns today . We will most likely go shoot at the bigger range in the next couple weeks . I'll update then .

As for my Ruger SR45 . I liked it very much . I put 150rds through it today and it worked great with no issues . I can shoot it very accurately and it has very little recoil . I'd say My XD9 has more recoil then the SR45 . At this point I'm very happy with it .
 
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Alan- I agree because I think there are several factors, for example you could have a very light trigger pull but excessive sear engagement so that the result was a creepy trigger even if the pull was light, or, a 4 1/2 lb pull with reasonable (not a hair trigger but reasonable) and then even if a little more pressure was required it still broke like glass. I think I'd be okay with 3 1/2 to 4 pounds but just under 8 lbs- I think it is sort of screwing up my shooting because it is heavier than my other rifles and I'm not used to it.
I am now sort of leaning towards the Timney but as I said, I'm just starting this project. Out of the box with 150 grains the 100 yard groups were SIX INCHES with SCOPE. I have on occasion shot 4" groups at 100 yards with my 44 Magnum S&W Model 29 using OPEN sights, my in-line muzzle loader is 1 1/2" groups at 100 so I'm sort of shocked at the Rem 700 "Known for its accuracy". I figure I'll do a pillar bed and work up reloads and drop the factory trigger to 4 lbs and if I start getting 1 to 1 1/2" groups- then spend the $ on a Timney.
 
The Walker trigger remains one of the best ever designed, but they have three weaknesses:

1. If you adjust too much of the creep out of them, the gun will fire on slamming the bolt down.

2. A lot of guys used to clean guns with WD 40. The oil evaporates out over time, leaving the detergent behind to form a lovely "golden" glaze on parts. Sticky goo in its innards makes the Walker hiccup badly (including the safety-fire and bolt-slam fire).

3. The parts of the trigger, especially the sear, wear microscopically over time. Considering the age of a lot of the Remingtons, and the extensive use they've had, a trigger can wear to the point where the trigger and sear don't fully engage properly, and we're back to safety and bolt-slam fires.

The good news is that all three issues are easily addressed.

For issue 1 or 3, simply adjust the creep screw until the gun no longer bolt-slam fires.

For issue 2, disassemble and clean the trigger group with a GOOD gun oil. The new oil will dissolve away the detergent from the prior oils. Clean THOROUGHLY. Dismantling and rebuilding a Walker trigger is an almighty nuisance, but (to me) well worth the time and trouble.

But, hey, if you get a new after-market trigger, can I have the Walker? I own several and LOVE them! :)


KR
 
Actually this thread is kinda handy, because my son and I are reworkin his model 700 that I gave him five years ago. He brought it over today and while inspecting the action I first made sure it was clear..then attempted to dryfire to see what kind of poundage I was dealing with and with safety set to fire I couldnt makebit it fire... So that was one of the first parts off the rifle, and maybe a Timney is in order but first I will clean it and leave original settings as they came from factory as I know for sure no ones messed with it.... Might clean up nice and function..
 
Metalgod,

That one is bad. I've seen grimier.

I bought a Colt DA .45 Colt Service revolver off a guy about 7 years ago for 200 bucks. He sold it cheap because the thing was locked up tight, couldn't get the cylinder open, couldn't get the hammer back, nothing. The gun had all the ordnance markings and was in good shape.

I disassembled it to find it F U L L of detergent residue from cheap oil.

I soaked the parts in Kerosene overnight, scrubbed everything, re-oiled everything, and re-assembled the pistol. It worked flawlessly. I sold it a month later for 1200.00 and was cheap at that.

The lessons here are:

A. Use a good gun oil, not household oil.

B. Step one on any malfunctioning gun is dis-assembly and a thorough cleaning. That cures so many "mechanical" problems.

:)


KR
 
Davem:

I will not dispute the points you made, sounds like you might know more about triggers than I do, however re that "almost 8# trigger", whomever it was that put that together should be drop-kicked into next year, well into next year. For the most part, I shot the rifles and loaded the ammunition, other peole provided such "medical attention" as was or might be needed by the things.
 
I've been told other folks are experiencing the same overly heavy weight on the factory trigger.
I think if properly maintained and the safety fully engaged, etc, most of the worries disappear. Remington says to clean with Rem Oil then use compressed air to blow out any dirt and then there are 4 points for a drop of more Rem Oil- seems like a lot of oil. How do some of you clean the old type trigger?
As I understand the function when you push on the safety it pushes up the sear so there is adequate clearance if someone pulls the trigger and releases it, the connector should not snag on the sear as it returns to normal position- the safety pushes the sear up out of the way. So...there is nothing wrong with the safety.
it seems like there is a split decision on the Walker trigger, some people like it and find it works well. I'm sort of a neat freak as far as keeping things clean so that bodes well on the required maintenance.
 
I got that old trigger cleaned up and reassembled. I used lighter fluid and scrubbed all parts clean, then after reassembly I lun
bricated the trigger mechanism thoroughly with lighter fluid and tested it. It came in at a 4lb average, breaks pretty decent, may leave it for now.
 
Hooligan,

Just remember that if the trigger isn't breaking cleanly enough, you can tune the creep out of it. : )

I put a photo guide on here to tuning the T/C Venture trigger. it's gotten a lot of looks, but no responses or questions. I don't know if that's good or bad. :)

If you decide to tune the trigger, I'll do another photo guide (for the Walker trigger) and put it on here.

Glad it's doing better!


KR
 
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