OK, I HAVE HAD IT!

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Lewis and Steve:

I have been thinking of leaving TFL for quite a while, but I have been sticking around just because shooting and associating with shooters is a big part of my life.

However, some of these guys are exhibiting some pretty poor behavior. It is troublesome to me that some of the very people who have such a love of firearms go to such extremes to drive a wedge between our allies in law enforcement and government. It is little wonder the anti gun crowd has stereotyped the RKBA bunch as small people with small minds resulting from decades of hillbilly inbreeding. Don't close the door guys, I am right behind you. Good by TFL.
 
This is getting just a tad silly.

This thread might be an example of why moderating might not be all fun.

I'm probably gonna really get flamed for what I'm about to say, but I think it needs saying.

Roscoe, your post was just plain silly to the point of being beside the point. Steve in PA, your reaction to Roscoe's post is kind of disappointing. I thought you guys had just a little thicker skin than that. I mean you see and hear that kind of nonsense on a regular basis. Needanak, I know I'm not your Daddy, but I'm gonna offer a little unsolicited advice. One of the things I seem to learn over and over is that my mouth seems to find a way out in front no matter what I do. Even through a keyboard. Maybe it's happening right now. It definitely happened here tonight on this thread.

I am disappointed in Steve's reaction too. And I hope he and Lewis don't leave for good. But if they do decide to stay, you just made it a little harder.

How about it? A little civility goes a long way. 'Better to be polite when you don't have to than the other way around. Sometimes it's just better to say nothing at all.
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"Get your mind right and the body will follow." - Shino Takazawa, sinsei, hachi dan, Keishinkan do.
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[This message has been edited by sensop (edited February 12, 2000).]
 
you are entirely right on my first post. i stand by my second one, even if you are entirely right on it anyway.

fwiw i read a post very similar to roscoe's by a retired cop on news:rec.gun by matquig.
 
Decided to post this instead of what I was really tempted to say a moment ago:

I remember a couple of weeks ago when Rich and others were speaking seriously of shutting down TFL rather than let it degenerate into crass flame wars between factions. Then we all promised to bring back the "family atmosphere" some of us remember so fondly. If we still can't be civil we will have no right to whine when Rich simply kicks all of us out of his living room.
 
Hey ruger guy, that was a quick post? Fast typer? :)

Blues man, you forgot the IRS they are 100% dedicated to getting your money.

Extreme Machine where do you ride you dirt bikes? Or was it street. Live near and one of my brothers is trying to get into june academy.

Have already make all the comments about LEOS that I will make. Though as has been stated I think a lot has had to do with the chasm caused by the disarmament of joe citizen and the military like build up of the police.
 
Ok, I have a question.
I know by the way I dress and the fact that I usually never leave my house during the day that I attract cop's who think I'm the BG in any situation.
My question is, (to all our LE brothers) How do I react in a way to let them know I'm not a BG?
I usually just take in calm and slow and dont move to fast but it usually seems to have a bad turn out.
I thought I was doing as I should on one occasion but it turns out in speaking with a friend of mine that I did act in a way that provoked the responce just because I did not know police procedures.
I dont think there are many people alive that know ALL the laws, particularly because there are to darn many of them.
So please tell me how I can help to make a bad situation better. Better for me and better for the poor cop that stopped me.
Missunderstanding is all that seperates us... So lets get rid of the missunderstandings and keep more of our own from walking!

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I have just posted about a cop issue in "Gunslinger thread" and when I opened this one it is again a related topic.

Mr. Lewis, sometimes we need to respect every one opinion and sometimes or all the time we need to stand and prove what is right. The people or masses are the one that put their officials to govern and protect them with mutual benefits from the governed and governor.

Not only you or me that is being lambasted from time to time. Not only a cop but also a civilian that felth being underdog in some discussions but it does not necessarily mean that when we see people talking against a certain opinions of others he mean that he will hate you nor hate the organization you represent. In fact I have high regard to some cops or LE's in the forum who keeps discussing good things to name a few, Ala Dan, Ankeny, Jim Keenan and many others. I learned a lot from their comments. Though, in some threads I also had arguments with them.

Without someone to divulge publicly the dirty games of some cops or any organization then there is no reform. Let us appreciate the people who name names and pin point exactly the bad doings or bad element of any organization, in that way, it will serve for the rest to refined themselves or cease doing if they are in that practice.

It has been a few weeks that I am not posting much on the Gun forum but I am reading it everyday, and I see that firstly, I was tag as an anti cops by some posters, but as days goes on, I see many that discusses much an issue re LEO's pros and cons in several subject matters.

I can say that all information I am talking about - I have all first hand knowledge of it, for I am a part nor see of those occurences. So, I talk directly to an issue.

The thread is good as I see advices and people who are just trying to pinpoint the legitimate opinions, reasons and objective of every one in contributing their topic.

Thank you,
 
This topic is going nowhere and I should have ended it after Lewis' initial announcement.

Lewis, Steve and other LEO's-
It's pretty much common knowledge that one of the goals of TFL is to help bridge the growing rift between LEO and other citizens. The only way to do this is through education; the only way to educate is to stick around and keep your head.

If you choose to quit, the fringe element in both camps win.

needanak-
Please email me at rluci@ix.netcom.com. You've blocked your email addy.
Rich
 
I don't come to General Discussion Forum much anymore (stay at Handguns/Pistolcraft mostly) because I usually go away mad or depressed. I have decided to stay away from LEO type threads and I suggest we all get away from them as all they solve is to hurt peoples feelings, make them mad, etc... and its the same old points rehashed over and over. We all know them well by now. Lewis about a year ago I took a hiatus from TFL for several months but I came back as it is the best board to discuss what I love to talk about. I suggest that you visit the other technical parts of the forum if this part bothers you. But I have gone back and read all your postings and you have alot of knowledge to share with us and I think we all want you to stay. Now regardless of what you say I know you are reading this as just like me you couldn't resist.
 
I make it a personal policy to take time to consider what I am going to post to avoid saying something impulsive and possibly regretting it later. However in this post I am going to make an exception to that self imposed rule. I'm going to "wing" this post because I want to to come from the "heart".

Most of you here know me and know how I feel about certain issues. You know me beause I feel more relaxed here then I probalby should. Not more relaxed than I should because of mistrust for any member here but simply because we are on the world wide web and read by non members to. I feel relaxed here because I know the members as well and they are my friends. Many are as close as family eventhough few of us have actually met. We purposely avoid certain issues such as abortion becasue they are not RKBA related, controversial and have nothing to be gained by discussing them here on this board. But the issue of law enforcment should not generate this much controversy. Face it folks, we are all on the same team here. I would like to think and truly believe that members here are law abiding citizens and in favor of laws and the enforcemnt of them. No, I know none of us here like some of the guns laws nor their enforcment. But we are intelligent enough to recognize the need for law enforcement.

I to get annoyed with commnets from members and do occassionally voice that. But in the end I still consider those making what I see as annoying post fellow TFLers and friends. I some times read some of the other RKBA forums but am not even a registered member of those boards. The reason I am here is I have always felt the level of maturity is higher on this board then all[/b[ the others and continue to feel that way. There are some extremely knowledgable people here that are dedicated to our RKBA and do it in an articulate and "classy" manner. Remember we are the group that converted some antis from Rosie and are much richer for that. Those members have contributed much not only to this board but to the RKBA cause.
This is the best damn RKBA board on the Internet and the best place to kick back and "talk guns" with our friends there is. Let's keep it to the high standards that Rich, DC et. al. have established and appreciate what we have here.

Sensop I'm listen' and thank you. :)

I'm staying as long as Rich will have me and be thankful for having this as my "home away from home". When I'm here I'm among family. Even the annoying cousins. :D



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We live in a time in which attitudes and deeds once respected as courageous and honorable are now scorned as being antiquated and subversive.
 
I've also had it at this point. Yes, this is silly.

You guys are going to take your badges and go home? Geez, this is sounding like grade school.

I'm no longer even looking at these LEO threads. The sensitivity level seems way off the chart, IMHO.
 
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