OK, here we go again...
- Thread starter Alnamvet
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Just an observation:
Not a bad cause - in fact, maybe a noble one if the institution is worthy of the effort. With all their problems, Colt didn't cave to the pressure that S&W did.
I wonder why: Principle? Fear of a boycott? Who knows...but at least they decided to stand firm.
I know Colt has made some questionable decisions that have left the shooting community wondering whether or not they are interested in anything other than government contracts. Apparently, the decision to trim the product line was to trim costs & stay afloat.
For the record, my 1911 guns are manufactured in Yonkers and the single Colt firearm I own is a Mustang PocketLite. Still, I really don't see what good slamming Colt does. Yes, they need to bring pricing down & quality up but I'd plunk my cash down today for a 1911 with a pony on it before I buy another new revolver with The Mark of the Agreement etched on the sideplate.
Geezzz...tell me I need to go out & buy another new gun...my wife is understanding but I might be pushing the limit here....
Not a bad cause - in fact, maybe a noble one if the institution is worthy of the effort. With all their problems, Colt didn't cave to the pressure that S&W did.
I wonder why: Principle? Fear of a boycott? Who knows...but at least they decided to stand firm.
I know Colt has made some questionable decisions that have left the shooting community wondering whether or not they are interested in anything other than government contracts. Apparently, the decision to trim the product line was to trim costs & stay afloat.
For the record, my 1911 guns are manufactured in Yonkers and the single Colt firearm I own is a Mustang PocketLite. Still, I really don't see what good slamming Colt does. Yes, they need to bring pricing down & quality up but I'd plunk my cash down today for a 1911 with a pony on it before I buy another new revolver with The Mark of the Agreement etched on the sideplate.
Geezzz...tell me I need to go out & buy another new gun...my wife is understanding but I might be pushing the limit here....I think you're really thinking of Rock Island Armory. They're made in the Philippines, and some of us don't like the misshaped triggerguard. I guess for some buyers they're ideal, but I want to see something completely US-made, and a dead-ringer for the GI guns. The Kahr AO would be if they'd lose those slanted serrations, and especially if they would fulfill the promise to up the QC. So far from what I've been hearing that hasn't happened yet.
I buy 'em to shoot...
...not to sell.
If I wanted investments, I'd look elsewhere.
I don't care what the gun's investment potential is; how does it shoot?
Wholesale on the last batch of 1991A1's we bought was $500+. That's insane. By the time you install Novaks ($hop time for cutting the $lide), a beavertail (more $hop time), a real trigger, a good mainspring housing, etcetera, etcetera, you have spent way more than if you'd bought a Stainless Springfield "Loaded" in the first place. (...and if you think you'll get a fraction of what you paid for those mods back in resale value just because there's a horsie dancing on the side of your gun, well, keep dreaming.)
But that's okay, it's all good for us; buy a 1991A1, because we offer all those gunsmithing $ervice$.
...not to sell.
If I wanted investments, I'd look elsewhere.
I don't care what the gun's investment potential is; how does it shoot?
Wholesale on the last batch of 1991A1's we bought was $500+. That's insane. By the time you install Novaks ($hop time for cutting the $lide), a beavertail (more $hop time), a real trigger, a good mainspring housing, etcetera, etcetera, you have spent way more than if you'd bought a Stainless Springfield "Loaded" in the first place. (...and if you think you'll get a fraction of what you paid for those mods back in resale value just because there's a horsie dancing on the side of your gun, well, keep dreaming.)
But that's okay, it's all good for us; buy a 1991A1, because we offer all those gunsmithing $ervice$.
Yeah, but what if I don't want all that useless garbage? In addition, if I get a Springfield Loaded I'll then have to spend $200 just for someone to grind the frontstrap down to where it feels good in the hand.
It's a pity, but these days buying a 1911 is like buying food at McDonalds. If you don't want the extra value cheeseburger meal, and simply want a plain hamburger & small fries you have to pay extra!
It's a pity, but these days buying a 1911 is like buying food at McDonalds. If you don't want the extra value cheeseburger meal, and simply want a plain hamburger & small fries you have to pay extra!
There's always...
...the Springfield Mil-Spec.
Granted, though, that frontstrap on the Springfield frames is simply awful. When I took the wraparound Hogues off my V-10, the first thing it got was a dust cover and frontstrap recontouring. The Professional's frontstrap is fine because it's checkered, although I just noticed that nowhere on the frame of the Professional does it say "FI Brazil"...
...the Springfield Mil-Spec.
Granted, though, that frontstrap on the Springfield frames is simply awful. When I took the wraparound Hogues off my V-10, the first thing it got was a dust cover and frontstrap recontouring. The Professional's frontstrap is fine because it's checkered, although I just noticed that nowhere on the frame of the Professional does it say "FI Brazil"...
CastleBravo
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So tell me Tamara, where did this irrational hatred of Colts originate...? 
LOL.
Funny thing is, a year or two ago I would have agreed with you 100%. Now the only 1911-type pistols that hold any interest for me are Colts. While this isn't stupid on my part, it isn't exactly rational either. It just, well, is.
LOL.
Funny thing is, a year or two ago I would have agreed with you 100%. Now the only 1911-type pistols that hold any interest for me are Colts. While this isn't stupid on my part, it isn't exactly rational either. It just, well, is.
For me, Colt is the only company making exactly what I want. If only Springfield would start making guns like their old ones again (without that stupid frame contour) they'd be able to take an even greater chunk of Colt and Kimber's business. I'm not the only one who doesn't like wrapping my hands around something that feels like a 2x4.
CastleBravo
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It only translates that way if you took my post too seriously.
And you can have my Delta Elite as soon as I'm done using it to shoot all the flying pigs that will show up when I consider such a thing.
P.S. Giant flying pig baloons at Pink Floyd concerts don't count.
And you can have my Delta Elite as soon as I'm done using it to shoot all the flying pigs that will show up when I consider such a thing.
P.S. Giant flying pig baloons at Pink Floyd concerts don't count.
"...wholsale last batch...
....$500+ ....no wonder you people think Colt is such a rip-off....here in Hampton Roads, home to the greatest Navy in the world, 1991's can be had for as little as $450 and up to no more than $500...and that is not Navy Exchange prices...we sell Colts in this community for a reason,,,go to the Little Creek Amphib Base and if you ask any operative what he would prefer over the Sig, the unanimous answer is Colt...on and off duty. We have many gunshops here, and have 3 local Guild 'smiths...they all say the same...Colt is where it was, where it's at now, and will be from now on...the rest of the all Novak patties, with special steel, lights, plastic all served up on a checkered strap bun are fads now...with a Colt, you get minimalist, form and function,,,want special sauce, lettuce, cheese and a sesame bun?...well add it later. I'll have my Colt my way.
....$500+ ....no wonder you people think Colt is such a rip-off....here in Hampton Roads, home to the greatest Navy in the world, 1991's can be had for as little as $450 and up to no more than $500...and that is not Navy Exchange prices...we sell Colts in this community for a reason,,,go to the Little Creek Amphib Base and if you ask any operative what he would prefer over the Sig, the unanimous answer is Colt...on and off duty. We have many gunshops here, and have 3 local Guild 'smiths...they all say the same...Colt is where it was, where it's at now, and will be from now on...the rest of the all Novak patties, with special steel, lights, plastic all served up on a checkered strap bun are fads now...with a Colt, you get minimalist, form and function,,,want special sauce, lettuce, cheese and a sesame bun?...well add it later. I'll have my Colt my way.
In terms of 1911s, I've got 3 Kimbers, 1 ParaOrdnance, 1 Springfield and 1 Colt.
The ParaOrdnance gathers dust in the safe. The Springfield is currently at a gunsmith awaiting new guts, new slide, and serious machining of the front strap. 2 of the Kimbers get carried and the third is a recently acquired spare.
The Colt Combat Commander (LNIB) I'm hopefully selling this weekend. Overpriced and nowhere near as good as my Kimbers.
M1911
The ParaOrdnance gathers dust in the safe. The Springfield is currently at a gunsmith awaiting new guts, new slide, and serious machining of the front strap. 2 of the Kimbers get carried and the third is a recently acquired spare.
The Colt Combat Commander (LNIB) I'm hopefully selling this weekend. Overpriced and nowhere near as good as my Kimbers.
M1911
Other than "resale value", you haven't stated one reason why they're "where it's at".
Is it the high price? The plastic parts? The lousy QC that they've had for the last dozen years? Or the poor management and marketing that caused them to discontinue 90% of their product lines and sell the little horsie off the top of the building to make ends meet in the middle of the biggest boom years in gun sales this country has ever seen? In years where companies like Kimber, Springfield, SIG, Glock, and Beretta went from strength to strength, selling record numbers of guns, Colt almost went under! That's like dying of thirst in the middle of a swimming pool!
I don't buy cars, jeans, motorcycles or computers because of "hetitage" and "brand labels", I buy for performance and value for my hard-earned dollar. Explain to me why my gun purchasing should be different?
You want to pay...
....those high prices you pay for Colts, that's your business, or lack of acumen thereof...at your wholesale prices, I can see why you've got your garters in a lather over Colt...oh yeah, and BTW, I buy things for their quality, performance, and potential investment...My'93 SoftailCustom (that's a Harley) is worth more today than the $11000 I paid....try $19M; my '97 Land Rover Defender is worth more than the $28M I paid in 97...where I come from, you don't buy it unless it's on sale, if it is a classic, like Colts, Harleys, LL Bean, etc., than you buy, and then only if it's in sale. The bottom line is a whole lot of us like Colts, and the rest are just, well, just the tribe to be pitied.
....those high prices you pay for Colts, that's your business, or lack of acumen thereof...at your wholesale prices, I can see why you've got your garters in a lather over Colt...oh yeah, and BTW, I buy things for their quality, performance, and potential investment...My'93 SoftailCustom (that's a Harley) is worth more today than the $11000 I paid....try $19M; my '97 Land Rover Defender is worth more than the $28M I paid in 97...where I come from, you don't buy it unless it's on sale, if it is a classic, like Colts, Harleys, LL Bean, etc., than you buy, and then only if it's in sale. The bottom line is a whole lot of us like Colts, and the rest are just, well, just the tribe to be pitied.
CastleBravo
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Uh, how do you lather garters?