Official NRA critic's thread (NO NRA BASHING DANG IT)

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I think there needs to be ongoing open, honest, and serious discussion of how we turn the NRA from an organization that didn't see a vote for the 1968 gca as an anti gun vote, and an organization that DOESN'T favor "Vermont/Alaska" carry, and an organization that refuses to acknowledge the 1986 ban (I only ever see nra talk about the 1934 NFA, which they also supported :barf: ),

to an nra that does do and acknowledge these things.

Is it worth trying?

What reasonable goals can be set in this regard?

Since only a TINY percentage of gun owners are nra members, obviously something is seriously wrong, either with nra or with 50 + million people who are not members (many of whom are PAST members). Logic dictates that something must be wrong with nra as opposed to the problem being with the 50 million. Sure, many of those 50+ million are lazy and selfish, but at some point, an intelligent person will start taking a hard look at nra for possible causes.

P.S. if somebody posts something that some moderator construes as "nra bashing" I would hope that the POST will be edited/deleted instead of slamming the door on this important discussion. I mean, just sitting around telling everyone to "join nra and buy gift memberships" isn't going to save our guns from the government thieves.
 
"an organization that didn't see a vote for the 1968 gca as an anti gun vote"

It was actually a pretty good piece of work to get as mild a law in '68 as they did. We were about this far => <= from getting full blown registration and a bunch of other stuff shoved down our throats.

You're talking as if you think things happen in a vacuum, and they don't. JFK had been shot in '63, Dr. King was shot on 4/4/68, Bobby Kennedy was shot on 6/5/68. There was an avalanche rolling downhill back then, so let's not pretend the NRA thought up the GCA of '68 and voted it into law.

Were you even alive in '68? If so, did you follow the negotiations? Just curious. It was the year I graduated from high school a few miles north of D.C. Just like the old curse says - it was an interesting time.

John
 
Logic dictates that something must be wrong with nra as opposed to the problem being with the 50 million. Sure, many of those 50+ million are lazy and selfish, but at some point, an intelligent person will start taking a hard look at nra for possible causes.
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Actually, logic will dictate that the majority of people are apathetic, not really conscious of a problem for which the NRA is a solution, lazy free riders, or a combination thereof. Further, the number of people who have bought into anti-NRA propaganda from the pro-gun or anti-gun side probably exceeds the number of people who have consciously decided there is a real issue with the NRA.
 
I think there needs to be ongoing open, honest, and serious discussion of how we turn the NRA from an organization that didn't see a vote for the 1968 gca as an anti gun vote, and an organization that DOESN'T favor "Vermont/Alaska" carry, and an organization that refuses to acknowledge the 1986 ban (I only ever see nra talk about the 1934 NFA, which they also supported ),
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Well perhaps it was because the NRA did not do any direct lobbying then. The NRA-ILA wasn't even started till 1975. In May of 1977 the "Cincinnati Revolt" occurred. Since that period the NRA has been consistent on 2A rights. If you want to concentrate on 1934 and 1968, you would be like an ostritch with your head buried under the dirt. I dont think there is anythong wrong with the NRA other than the fact that they take a common sense approach to problems.
 
It was actually a pretty good piece of work to get as mild a law in '68 as they did. We were about this far => <= from getting full blown registration and a bunch of other stuff shoved down our throats.
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I appreciate your seriousness, but didn't it ever occur to you that maybe, just maybe the anti gunners NOTICED that the "pro" gunners had that attitude and exploited it? When your enemy is sitting around counting their "blessings" over ONLY getting stuck with what became the 68 GCA, then you're (speaking from the anti gunners' perspective) sittin' pretty. Jeez, do you REALLY believe that the anti gunners COULDN'T sense the massive fear of the "pro" gunners in 1968? It's been 40 years and I can STILL sense your fear. Fear weakens us. If "pro" gunners had set aside emotions (esp fear), we would probably have only gotten stuck with a few PIECES of what we NOW call the 1968 GCA.

Who was it who said that when you start negotiating over what you ALREADY have, then you've lost?
 
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You know, instead of talking bad about the NRA and it's politics, why don't you become a life member, or if you can't do that, pay your dues for five years straight.

And then you can vote. If you are a life member, then you can be an elected individual.

I mean, come on, if you read the NRA charter and look at the organization you will find that you too, if you are a life member, can change the organization to what you wish it to be. The only reason that most don't is due to they don't wish to become life members or they really aren't interested in doing any of the dirty work, like being on the board of directors.

It's your NRA, you just need to invest the money into becoming a life member and not just a pay by year member. I see that there are many thousands of member on this board alone, if half of you made it so you are able to vote, and if the other half decided to run, then I believe that the NRA would be the NRA that you wish.

That is the difference between GOA, JPFO, etc.., they are run by one or more people and you don't have a say in what they do or what cases they take. With the NRA, if you wish, you have a say.

Just my take on the subject.
 
hmm? maybe i should save up and become a life member and run for president. I would go international and will not allow any gun control. Pro gunners will love me, anti-gunners will try to assassinate me.

If I was president,
I'd get elected on Friday, assassinated on Saturday,
and buried on Sunday.
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What?

"I belonged for 25 years. The NRA exists to perpetuate the NRA and nothing else."

That is a ridiculous statement. The NRA is THE pro gun rights lobby. Keep making your LAME
 
hit enter key by mistake...

meant to say; "Keep making your lame excuses for not joining and one day soon, you will be turning in your guns either to Hillary LLC or the UN." Please combine for me?
 
You probably hit the enter key because you quit "aiming" 'cause you were in such a hurry to put Mister_Dinky in his place, with plenty of rudeness, I might add. I think Mister_Dinky's post and attitude should stand for all to see. Now yours is there and I think it should stand too. You get in a hurry to get insulted, 'next thing you know, you're insulted. Then you gotta throw a bigger bomb. Then you are not just insulted. You have insulted another, deliberately.

Every one is entitled to their opinion. Mister_dinky is just one member. So are you. I didn't notice his post addressed you personally. 'Think you could let the rest of us read this thread without seeing how upset you are? Was that a temper tantrum? You can reply with civility and make your point without stooping to insult-trading. Give it a try sometime.
 
Bud, if you want the whole story: Earlier in the evening, I had bought this flashing light at the dollar store for $1 for my son, once we were home, he was playing with it and he dropped it and the two AA batteries had fallen out and he was jumping on me, asking me to fix it, as I was trying to type my post, I was fending him off with my left arm, and then "IT" happened......I accidentally bumped the enter key. There you have it. But nice theory of yours. :)
 
Solution to this is simple... start your own organization

then you don't have to fork out any money to be elected president of it... then go to Washington D.C. and start lobbying for your beliefs.. when you aren't there then spend the rest of the time at your state capital doing the same thing... if you have any time left then work on different gun classes for teaching gun safety.... You'll have it all your own way.

There are a goodly number of things I don't like about the NRA... too many to list here. With that said... I pay them every few years for my dues in advance.
 
I recall a conversation I had some years ago with a Congressman from the
Midwest who was visiting New Jersey at the time. He said the reason why the
NRA and the "gun lobby" were so effective was because almost alone among the major lobbying groups they were not a "gimme" lobby. As he put it, every
other lobby has their hands out, it's "gimme this, gimme that", they all want government programs, subsidies, tax breaks, etc. With the NRA people he said, it's always "Don't"-don't restrict gun sales, prohibit gun types and importation, tax ammunition and components, etc., etc., etc.
 
I belonged for 25 years. The NRA exists to perpetuate the NRA and nothing else.
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I guess those are imaginary people lobbying the halls of Congress and state houses? I guess those are imaginary folks who do training for police and citizens? I guess those competitions in Camp Perry are just a figment of our imagination That must be the case. I guess I must be imagining that ballot to vote for NRA leadership also.
 
"Jeez, do you REALLY believe that the anti gunners COULDN'T sense the massive fear of the "pro" gunners in 1968?"

They had the votes, it didn't matter what they sensed, felt or smelled in the air.

"It's been 40 years and I can STILL sense your fear."

Ha. Fear? That's the best you can do for a comeback? Sounds like you're projecting your fear on me. After all, you started this topic on improving the NRA. Now, why you think things need to be improved? Why are you concerned, or even worried about it? Fear of what? ;)

"If "pro" gunners had set aside emotions (esp fear), we would probably have only gotten stuck with a few PIECES of what we NOW call the 1968 GCA."

You've missed the point of my earlier post. We only got stuck, as you put it, with a few pieces of what 'the other side' wanted to stick us with. And yet you fantasize that somehow there was a way to get stuck with even less. Time for a reality check I think.

"Who was it who said that when you start negotiating over what you ALREADY have, then you've lost?"

Some fool who would rather draw a line in the sand and play a game of all or nothing. Sort of like a child who'll hold their breath until they turn blue thinking that they'll get their own way without talking about the situation with the other side.

John
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Those who do not belong to the NRA fall into one of several categories.

1. Lazy. They either do not see the threat or do not care but in the end they figure nothing will ever really change and those "fanatics" in the NRA will take care of it.

2. Eliteist Sportsmen. They have their $2,000 trap gun or long range rifles. Perhaps they hunt but they see the NRA as being fanatical about "Evil Black Rifles", "Saturday Night Special" handguns, and "High Capacity Cop Killing Automatics." They have the attitude that "THEIR" sport and guns would never be threatenned since who would have a problem with a two shot trap gun?

3. Tin Foil Hat Crowd. THe NRA is a plot man! All they are about is perpetuating Gun Control for their own gain. The best thing that happenned to them was Bill Clinton because he drove up membership.

4. 2A Eliteist. Related to those wearing the tinfoil hats. These people see the NRA as useless because they did not oppose Gun Control in 34, when they were primarily a marksman training association. They look at 68 and fail to see what was going on in the world and how close we were to loosing far more than what we did. The 86 law is considerred a betrayal although there was no way to stop it entirely and at least it was moderated with the instant check clause. These people are often well intentioned but live in a fanatsy world that separates them from reality. They fail to see what the NRA has done in recent years and seem completely at a loss regarding what was done in New Orleans when the NRA went to war against the city's confiscation program.
 
Those who do not belong to the NRA fall into one of several categories...
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Missed one: Gun-totin' liberals. We can't stomach giving money to an organization that almost exclusively supports candidates from a party whose views (aside from gun control) are diametrically opposed to our own. We instead look for other avenues with which to defend our second amendment rights.
 
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