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Gonzo_308

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I've recently been trashed in another thread because I don't like Glocks and consider them cookie cutter junk.

Well I don't think many people consider their Hk's or Sig's to be cookie cutter junk.

I happen to own A few Sigs, I also own 2 of what is probably the most mass produced 9mm in the world. The Browning Hi Power. I dont consider them to be cookie cutter junk.

I'm not fond of Glocks and am quite frankly tired of hearing the Krishna chant "your money would be better spent on a...."

The thread that was locked before I had a chance to reply was about a problem I've noticed in a custom gun makers work. I wanted to know if it was me or if there really was a noted decline in quality. What I got was 3 or 4 legit replies and a bunch of yelping and name calling. Suddenly I'm elitist because I'm curious about a high end make of gun and don't want anything to do with what I consider to be cheap, uninspiring guns.

I don't like cheap stuff, I don't drive a Honda, Don't like 'em, consider them to be uninspiring

Never said I was superexperienced. I do consider myself pretty well trained, I've taken several courses and practice frequently.

What my experience has shown me is that Glocks aren't what I want.

Some people like to hoard quantities of guns and take a suitcase full to the range. Not me, I like a few nice guns that I can be proud of. Something I'm sure will become an heirloom.

As for choices people make and their experience levels, well, I guess I'll change my opinion when I see the quiet professionals carrying something mass produced and easy to learn on.
 
Gonzo308 said:
"As for choices people make and their experience levels, well, I guess I'll change my opinion when I see the quiet professionals carrying something mass produced and easy to learn on."

Who do you consider a professional?
How about James Yeager of OPS http://www.optionsforpersonalsecurity.com/
He personally uses and recommends the Glock 19, with absolutely no modifications.

How about Chuck Taylor? He is always speaking highly of his "million round" Glock 17. (although I doubt the million round count, i'm sure he has several hundred thousand thru it)

Or do you only consider like minded, instructors/professionals such as Jeff Cooper, and Clint Smith?

Easy to learn on is a bonus to me, means its easier to master. And KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) is always the best in a combat situation.
 
As someone who owns handguns scattered all over a range of prices, from $60 (Nagant revolver) to well over $1k (Springfield Professional), let me echo DeNiro's excellent line from Ronin: "It's like a toolbox, you pick the right tool for the job". I have a customized Springfield V-10 that I dearly love to carry. However, when I carry it in the shop all day, I cringe when I bang it up against something for fear of scuffing the ebony grips or marring the freshly recontoured and bead-blasted frontstrap. I don't have this fear with any of my Glocks. Were I to shoot an attacker with my Mateba, PC-13, or Professional, I'd have a very rare and expensive gun confiscated, abused by forensics techs and property room clerks, and returned to me (if at all) all boogered up and three years down the road. If they take my Glock, then it's no biggie, Smyrna squirts 'em out by the dumptruck load. No, they don't inspire the same pride of ownership that a P7M8 or SIG P-210 does, but they have their own "collect the whole set" ugly charm of their own.

Sincerely,
Tamara ".25 Autos need love, too" K.
 
Confiscation

Ok, this is slightly off track, but it IS related! Trust me!!!

A woman was doing a BASE jumping demonstration off the El Capitan in Yosemite, however, she was using a borrowed rig. Turns out that BASE jumping is illegal in Yosemite and if you are caught then your rig is confiscated. She had several thousand dollars in her rig and did not want it to be taken from her. Now this group made prior arrangements with the Park Rangers that they would peacefully turn over their rigs and be arrested for the demonstration. Their aim was to show that BASE jumping is a safe sport. Unfortunately, due to her borrowed rig, she was unfamiliar with the controls and did not deploy her parachute fast enough. Her family watched in horror as she plunged to her death.

Moral of the story: I don't think people should worry about their guns getting confiscated if used in a defensive shooting. Carry what you are familiar with and confident in (Glock or not) and even if you never get your gun back - you'll still be alive for the cops to interview you. Sorry for the weird story, but it sort of relates right? :confused:
 
WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT?

I don't PERSONALLY care for Glocks, but so what.
Some folks like them.

I don't really care for the 1911 either, but my most expensive fanciest most-custom awe-inspiring gun-art pistol is my 1911, and for some reason I shoot it best of all my autos.

I really like GP and Redhawk triggers. There, I said it.

That relevant enough?

Okay, I like the color blue.
 
OK here is my flame

Of the glocks I could care less I don't own one and I don't think I will for a while because I am in love with HK's

But if you go bashing my Honda then I get bent out of shape. They aren't cheap they are more expensive than the fords or chevys and are comparable to toyata. Honda's don't break nearly as often as the domestics and I have yet to see a cavilier, escort zx2 or any other like minded car outrun my civic.

With a fast 0-60 and 33mpg at an average of 80 miles per hour they are inspiring to me. Maybe you should test drive a civic SI and then tell me they are uninspiring
 
Why can some people not objectively discuss their preferences in guns, cars, PC's, whatever, without using the words "sucks", "rules", "junk", "fool", "garbage", "ultimate", and such?

Just wondering...

I like my Z3 2.8. It is a neat roadster. Does this mean that it "rules"? That Miatas, SLK's, S2000's, TT Convertibles, etcetera "suck"?

No, it just means I like my car.

It amazes me how many people own a handgun, let's call it a Glocksigberetta. Their sigline says it RULES! All the Deltaswatseals use it! You can run it over with an Abrams and submerge it in magma and its' match-grade trigger will still let it shoot 1" groups while it's full of gravel, because it was perfectly designed by Saint Samuel Gaston Browning-Mauser in nineteen-ought-one.

When you ask these folks if they've shot a Walther1911Browning, they tell you "Yeah, they suck! I owned one for a week ten years ago and it jammed on 2 of the only 50 rounds I shot through it, so I sold it!". :rolleyes:
 
I've recently been trashed in another thread because I don't like Glocks and consider them cookie cutter junk.

Well I don't think many people consider their Hk's or Sig's to be cookie cutter junk.

I happen to own A few Sigs, I also own 2 of what is probably the most mass produced 9mm in the world. The Browning Hi Power. I dont consider them to be cookie cutter junk.

Can't speak for all other Glock owners, but I definitely don't think that my two Glocks are "cookie cutter junk" at all.

I'm not fond of Glocks...

Whod've thought it? ;)

What my experience has shown me is that Glocks aren't what I want.

Outstanding! For some of us, they are what we want, and most of us made thought-out decisions prior to making our purchases. I worked in a gun shop for a year, and I could have bought pretty much anything I wanted. After trying several different makes and models, and considering what I may or may nor want to do with them from an application standpoint, I went with a G21 and a G19.

As for choices people make and their experience levels, well, I guess I'll change my opinion when I see the quiet professionals carrying something mass produced and easy to learn on.

I wonder how the production levels for HK and Sig compare with that of Glock. And none of those (including the 1911) is particularly difficult to learn on. What's your point?

Some people collect guns. Some people shoot guns. Some do a little a both. Doesn't make anyone any better or worse for having their own personal preferences, nor does it make your (or my) choices better or worse than anyone else's.

If you want to drop $1500 or more on a pistol to get what you want, I'm good with it. Just so happens the ones I like are in the $450-$600 range. I guess I'll make it a point not to call anyone a moron for spending that sort of money on a utilitarian item and hope they don't look down too far on me and my "beaters". :D
 
To Gonzo

You certainly are entitled to your opinion on that matter. HK and Sigarms make fine pistols, and Glocks are fine pistols, but Glocks may not be for everyone. Maybe there are some folks who simply don't like polymer framed pistols, or maybe someone prefers a DA/SA mechanism, or a SA mechanism.

To call a Glock a "cookie cutter," though, does not seem to fit the bill here.

The Glock is favored by the law enforcement community, as well as many countries' military forces for its simplicity, light weight, ease of use, firepower, excellent reliability, and utter durability.

In addition to this, the Tennifer treatment of the Glock's metal parts makes it the most rust-resistant pistol that I can think of.
 
SIGs and HKs are mass-produced just like Glocks. Unless you're shooting hand-made guns, "cookie cutter" doesn't make a lot of sense.

I like my SIG a lot, but SIG didn't put the extra finishing into it out of the goodness of its heart--it charged the original owner acccordingly. In fact, I love my 220. However, the other day I left the dog alone in the bedroom and she tore a hole in the waterbed mattress. This would have been bad enough, but the 220 was in a holster between the mattress and box. By the time I got home, it was a mass of rust. I consider this an excuse to get it hard chromed, but it wouldn't have happened to my G30.

And before anyone asks, no, I don't have children and no, the gun could not have been fired somehow by the dog. I leave the chamber empty just in case.
 
Gonzo_308,

I'm not trying to start anything here (I don't even own a GLOCK), but I really don't understand this statement:
I've recently been trashed in another thread because I don't like Glocks and consider them cookie cutter junk.
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You claim that GLOCKs are "cookie cutter junk". To me "cookie cutter" implies that they are all made the same. Was that the rationale behind calling them junk? To my knowledge, every mass produced handgun could be lumped in with the GLOCK. As far as I know H&K and SIG strive to make every handgun of a particular model exactly the same. Does that make them cookie cutter pistols? Even Wilson Combat has several models that, if you bought the basic package, could be a "cookie cutter" gun since each of the firearms with those options would be exactly the same. Explain how the GLOCK is a cookie cutter handgun and the Browning Hi-Power is not. It is just not making sense to me.

As far as GLOCKs being junk, how did you come to that conclusion? It would be wise to learn a little tact when posting to the BB. How can you expect not to be flamed for proclaiming that a certain brand of handgun (that happens to be well liked, by the way) is "junk".

How would you react if I started a thread entitled H&Ks or SIGs are cookie cutter junk?

Now there's nothing at all wrong with stating that you don't like GLOCKs, but for you to assume that your experience with them is the basis for unilaterally labeling them good or bad is elitist. Who made you the Grand Judge of Handguns? To proclaim something absolute like that assumes that the views, experiences, and opinions of others are irrelevant.

Try adding "in MY opinion" to such statements. After all, that's exactly what it is.

You may only want hierlooms, others here are looking for the best tool to use for self protection. Those happen to be two very different goals. For many, many people GLOCKs fit the bill for a very good self defense weapon. Is there anything wrong with that? I don't think so.

If you come here with the intention of forcing your judgements on certain brands of handguns you will get a cold reception.

Shake

As far as Hondas and cheap being mentioned in the same sentence, well buy what you want. Just don't expect those of us who drive Hondas to stop and help you when you're broken down on the side of the freeway. :rolleyes: (MY opinion of course) :D
 
By the way. . .
professionals carrying something mass produced and easy to learn on.
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If you haven't seen a professional carrying a GLOCK, maybe you need to get out more.

Also, explain how a GLOCK is not easy to learn on????

Shake
 
Add Ignatius Piazza to the list of Glock fans. In fact, as far as I could tell, all the Front Sight staff carry either a Glock or a 1911.

I guess I am not picky. Three Glocks, four 1911s, one High Power and one Sig. Even an old SW 469. And every time I shoot any one of them, I think, "Gee, I really like this gun." The only big-name gun I don't like is the Beretta 92, but it's hardly junk. Just not my preference.

And I have a Honda Prelude with close to 200K miles and no troubles.

I dunno. What's yer point? Don't like Glocks, don't buy one. But be aware there are a million other shooters who swear by them.
 
There's one or two ...or three in every crowd

I used to have a friend in college. He was a very into beers particularly expensive German brews and micro-brew beers. He was so elitist he brought his own stash to parties while the rest of us drank the swill out of the keg or bottled American (MGD, Coors, Bud). The guy would comment on how "real" his stuff was while he looked down on all of us drinking the mass produced stuff. And its not like we were ignorant of stouter beer he just needed to make a big deal about it. He just couldn't believe people would knowingly drink yellow American beer. :rolleyes:

Now it wouldn't have been so bad if he didn't have such an attitude about it and shared with those not "in the know". But he didn't. I guess he needed that feeling of superiority on that point.

We all considered him our friend but we tried to ignore him at those moments.


*Appreciating the "finer things in life" is the easiest thing to do unfortunately it doesn't make one more sophisticated. I believe Oscar Wilde once said (paraphrasing) "She knows the price of everything but the value on nothing" Glock pistols will get the job done as well as any Wilson, Les Baer, Hk, or Sig in a defense situation. Maybe it isn't for those who like to feel so self-satisfied but thats not so important for the rest of us.

I've been shooting Glocks and Sigs all my life and am "proud" of both of them.
 
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Use what works for you and be satisfied.. I could care less what others choose and only give opinions when asked.. Seems like alot of "My daddy is tougher than your daddy" mentality is floating around lately.. :rolleyes:

Rick
 
I think sometimes people hate success. The Glock fans are considered sheep, or neophytes for following this success. Sometimes the masses are right. They are extremely reliable, ugly tools, that have no personality or flair. I don't currently own a Glock, but I have in the past and I will again. Why does everyone feel the need to so rabidly bash what they don't like? Like what you like and shut your cakehole!
 
I did not like glocks at first. I was a sigaholic. But I gave them a chance and they won me over. They are durable, reliable, accurate and have the best action system on the planet. They are not junk. I also bet if you would give them a chance you would find you would shoot them better on a combat coarse than a sig or any DA SA design or your BHP.
PAT
 
There's those superlatives again...

and have the best action system on the planet.
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"Best"? Best for what? Bullseye shooting? Best for safety? Best for trigger feel? Best for fast locktime?

I also bet if you would give them a chance you would find you would shoot them better on a combat coarse than a sig or any DA SA design or your BHP.
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You know, a lot of people prefer the SIG or the HP or others. The GP35 High Power, being a single action gun, is as "fast" as any Glock on a combat course, and tends to be much more accurate. Some folks don't like the way the Glock feels in their hand. Some folks think it points unnaturally. Some just can't get used to a mushy, sproingy, trigger with a wiggly bit stuck in the middle of it.

Not everybody needs, wants, or would be best served by, a Glock.

They're just tools. If one gun did everything best, they'd only make one gun.
 
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