Odd results with Titegroup.

Whatever it's worth,
I, too, have used quite a lot of Titegroup, mostly in .38 and .45acp, without any unusual results.
While out of bounds ammo can be discovered by the seat of the pants technique, to check by chronograph removes subjective doubt or conjecture.
As inexpensive as chronographs are, everyone who reloads should have one.
 
I started having trouble with a powder hopper on my Dillon Square Deal. Took it apart, cleaned it with no success. This was with Bullseye throwing too much + or - powder. Problem was not corrected until Dillon sent me a new hopper....Just a thought.
 
Slamfire wrote: In my opinion basing velocities on sound is imprecise and subject to error, and how calibrated is your hearing?
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Many years ago I was requalifying and was using the range provided 38's. bang, bang, pop????? Check for squib. bang, bang, BOOM, pop. check for squib. bang bang BOOM... discontinued use of those rounds... used major factory 357's.

This was at an indoor range. My uncalibrated hearing noticed the pops and the booms. My uncalibrated hand felt the difference.

I didn't need a chrono to tell me that ammo was junk.
 
I started having trouble with a powder hopper on my Dillon Square Deal. Took it apart, cleaned it with no success. This was with Bullseye throwing too much + or - powder. Problem was not corrected until Dillon sent me a new hopper....Just a thought.
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Did you chronograph your loads or did you, "...use a half-ass approach to diagnose the problem..."? rolleyes:
 
Without a chronograph, it's impossible to be able to substantiate complaints that your new $1000 bow is only getting 339 f/s instead of the advertised 350f/s.
Or your hot dog air gun is doing 37 f/s under what's claimed in all the magazine advertisements.
And we don't even want to get into trying to avoid the inevitable arguments over minor and major velocities for IDPA and USPSA matches without one.
Now, do you see the benefits of a chronograph?
 
dahermit's point is that the rounds in question are SO deviant that they are readily apparent.

If you need a Chrono to notice that you have some WAY overpressure rounds in the group you had better put your guns up for sale. I don't need to see the reading on a chrono to tell that one that goes BANG is going faster than one that goes bang.
 
I think people keep mentioning the chronograph because this is the easiest way to diagnos the magnitude of the problem. Is the velocity difference between the loads 50 FPS, 150 FPS, 250, or more. Knowing this will help you/us know whether the problem is a minor nuisance or a potential catastrophe. If the velocities are in the .357 magnum range then a double charge is a distinct possibility. If the velocity spread is only 100 FPS then it's probably something else.

It is impossible for us to know what is causing the problem. The best anyone on the forum can do is guess. There's no point in getting angry at anyone for trying to help.

I have experienced the same thing with differences in recoil and sound in reloads that were supposed to be the same formula. I don't have access to any ranges were I could setup a chronograph but I wish I could.
 
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OP so far has dismissed everyone's advice even though he solicited for it. Probably best if he figures it out for himself.
 
OP so far has dismissed everyone's advice even though he solicited for it. Probably best if he figures it out for himself.
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No you silly rabbit...I never asked for anyone's advice. what I posted was:
The question then, is why the louder boom? Has anyone else experienced the same?
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I asked if anyone else had noticed the same thing. What I got, save for a few intelligent posts, was unsolicited non sequitur prattle about how it would require a chronograph to solve the problem. I pine for the days before chronographs when would we absolutely could not work up accurate and reliable handloads...gosh, I wonder what we did then. But I would gladly settle for a gun forum that required a minimum I.Q. score of 125.
 
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But I would gladly settle for a gun forum that required a minimum I.Q. score of 125.
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There are many, many, firearms related forums out there, perhaps you would be happier on one of those, instead of having to suffer with us low IQ chronograph lovers.
 
I'm joining this thread because I just started loading pistol about a year ago and plan to use titegroup a lot in both 9mm and light for caliber 45acp bullets . I'm thinking It might do well with 185gr 45 bullets . I'm interested in what the final conclusion will be . I've heard Titegroup can be temperamental at times . Hoping this will help me understand more if it's not the rust issue and something else .

The OP says he does not need a chrono to tell there's a problem . His gun goes bang , bang, bang, BANG , bang and that's great he can tell that .

I have a question for the OP

You seem to only be looking at the chrono telling you the BANG is faster then the rest . What if that BANG showed no difference in velocity from the others ? What would be your obvious observation be then ?

This is not meant to be snarky . There is another possible outcome then the louder bang is faster . It's why you chrono the loads , it is possible you don't see a velocity change . If so then what ? Maybe just maybe a chrono will tell you there is no problem .;)
 
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No, I didn't own a chronograph when it happened, and don't have any friends, for whatever reason I started weighing the charges and they were kinda all over. Anyway bugged Dillon until they sent me a new one. I'd used it since like 85 or whenever they were marketed first and maybe something wore out. Anyway something was wrong with hopper because the problem went away when replaced.
 
Contrary to Hodgdon advertising, Titegroup is QUITE position sensitive.
I think your powder is sloshing around in the large case volume under a light bullet. Even though fired in six shot rapid strings, every shot bounces the small powder charge around an where it comes down is largely random.
Biff bang boom pop.
 
agree with Jim, been loading TiteGroup since it first came out in the late 90's I think and it was cheap enough. Over 300,000 9mm rounds alone, 4.2 grains behind 125 TC'sw, which almost has the bullet touching the powder. But loaded a hand full of 38's with 3 grains on a 158 and it's a long way to the top of the powder on 357 cases, and had similar issues. Switched to 231 which takes up way more volume and the problems went away.
 
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