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I wonder where Russia and China fall if plotted on this chart? They are the two countries with the largest "universal systems" and also large populations. It is interesting they are absent.
 
This chart has the expenditures for both China and Russia. I don't know where to find the average number of annual doctor visits, but the life expectancy for Russia is 70.3 and China is 73.0. That will allow you to at least plot their lines, although not the thickness of the lines.

In both cases, they're spending a lot less on healthcare (both in terms of per-capita dollars and as a percentage of GDP), but they don't have our life expectancy, either.
 
Interesting! It appears we have a population problem, not a healthcare problem - when thinking in terms of life expectancy! My guns will out live me, this I know for a fact!
 
"Silly nicknames like "Obamacare" and "Hillarycare" really don't contribute to intelligent discussion."

Common terminology used on liberal and conservative sites, newspapers, and news programs. Not being used here as a disparagement. Don't read more into it than is intended.

We use "silly" nicknames here all of the time like "wheelgun", and "spray and pray", etc.
 
A couple of points that may be obvious:

1. Very few people would know what the public safety and recreational firearms use protection act of 1994 is, but when identified by the colloquial "Clinton AWB", more people would understand what is meant.

2. The Sup Ct decision on the ACA does not pertain to average life span, or whether greater federal involvement in medical insurance is a generally good idea.
 
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Very few people would know what the public safety and recreational firearms use protection act of 1994 is, but when identified by the colloquial "Clinton AWB", more people would understand what is meant.
You've got a point. However, we can call it the Assault Weapon(s) Ban without mentioning Clinton's name, so it's a little different.

Plus, "ACA" is easier to type and remember than...um, PSRFUPA.
 
You're excused.

What I fear is that the precedent that has been set will roll over onto both parties and I am sure they simply cannot wait to get both front feet in the trough. This is a goldmine for them and Lord knows what they will do with it.

Yes, there may be those who will attempt to enact a negative tax prohibition statute; but how far does anyone here think that will go?
 
If you are a business and you do absolutely ANY business with the federal government then you have to comply with all of their requirements for their contractors.

You're dreaming if you think this won't apply to health care as well - once costs start to rise, all sorts of bean counters are going to start looking at "risk factors".

Fast food, motorcycles, rock climbing, boating, fireworks, football, and of course, our favorite hobby - nothing will escape their notice.

Just you wait.
 
Scott as far as statistics go if you are not comparing apples to apples you just have numbers that are interesting. We do the same thing when we compare one gun to another but really there are so many differences you really cannot say that "this gun" is better than "that gun" because there are so many variables that are considered as well as purpose, need, user etc.

The real problem is the fact that this a health insurance/funding bill. Healthcare is not the problem. Healthcare exists. The problem is the shell gave created by insurance companies, hospitals, attorneys and accountants. Insurance by its purpose is a bet against yourself and there isn't way to actuate the cost of health. This creates an accounting nightmare for a business which at its route has always been ponzi-like. All insurances by nature are a bet against yourself. You respect something bad to happen. The insurance company acts as the casino house knowing that most people will pay in and never use. This works great for everything except human health. The end result is that you run out of money. What the stats don't show us wait time and how often an accountant or lawyer or bureaucrat determines whether or not procedures were allowed or accepted. This gets back to firearms being thrown into the actuarial equation. It does not look promising for fun owners.


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