NRA, Still Viable...or Lame Ducks?

This sounds like a lot of the third party crap that a very small minority of gun owners puke up about every four years.

I live in the real world and in the real world we only have one choice when it comes to presidential elections and that is the Republicans.

In the real world only ONE group has any clout in DC when it comes to 2nd amendment issues and that group is the NRA.

Voting any way other than republican is a vote against the 2nd amendment.

Passing over the NRA for another gun rights group is doing more damage to your 2nd amendment freedoms.

Maybe our political system will change and if it does I will change my views. I might actually see some changes for the better if I live another few hundred years but for now I will make the best of what I have and leave the pie in the sky for others.
 
The NRA...

..is not perfect, by any estimation, but right now it is the best we have
to do the job of protecting our right to keep our guns.
I'm an Endowment Life Member of the NRA. I gave the NRA a considerable sum of money not because I just wanted the title, but because I believe in what they do. And I am not ready to write the NRA off just because some members
(or EX-members) don't like the way the NRA does business.
In my opinion, Tom Daschle lost his Senate seat this last election,in part,
due to the help of a big campaign by the NRA. Tom Daschle was, and is, an
enemy to the supporters of the 2nd Amendment. I am happy he is out of the
Senate, and I hope and believe some of the money I gave to the NRA helped
defeat Tom Daschle.
Political rhetoric aside, (if that is possible), I believe President Bush is a
strong supporter of the NRA. We had numerous opportunities to have a
concealed carry law passed here in Texas, all it needed was the signature
of the Governor. But our illustrious Governor, Ann Richards, (a Democrat),
VETOED the bill every time it came across her desk.
When George Bush defeated Ann Richards and took over as Governor of
Texas, 'Shall Issue Concealed-Carry License' became legal in Texas in a
matter of months. And George Bush was elected Governor of Texas with
a LOT of help from the NRA.
The NRA is what it is. An association of people who believe that it is our
RIGHT to own and keep firearms. If and when the people, the members
of the NRA, stop giving financial support, the organization will die. I hope
that doesn't happen any time soon, and I don't believe it will.
 
3rd Party Crap...

AUG,

Before yousay something is crap, how about investigating it first. AFter you had thoroughly read through their Party platform, and still feel that way, then that is a different story. There are people who live in 3rd World countries who think they live a pretty good life, until they come to America for the first time. I understand your angst, but then you only see the Red and the Blue team as your only option. I was a Republican for over 25 years Aug, I am not some ignorant young kid. I vote my conscience, and leave the results up to God.

God Bless America, Please. (we sure need it).

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3rd Party "Crap"???

This sounds like a lot of the third party crap that a very small minority of gun owners puke up about every four years.

I live in the real world and in the real world we only have one choice when it comes to presidential elections and that is the Republicans.
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AUG,
Before you condemn something as "crap", how about investigating it first? To dismiss something before you know anything about it, is like being raised in a home where you only got hamburger, then someone told you about steak, and you immediately respond, "The look of that T-Bone makes me nauseous, no way, I'm not touching it!" There are people who live in 3rd World countries who think they live a pretty good life, until they come to America for the first time. In other words, at this point, you have no idea what the Constitution Party is all about. (Hint, they will not disobey the U.S. Constitution - I think George Washington would like that idea - don't you?) However, if strict adherence to our Bill of Rights is abhorrent to you, then we are at polar extremes. I understand your angst, because you only think you have two options, i.e., the Red and the Blue teams. I was a Republican for over 25 years Aug, I am not some ignorant kid. I vote my conscience, and leave the results up to God.

The Constitution Party's support for the 2nd Amendment is very open - it's part of their platform. Articles about it are all throughout their web site. The RNC was pretty quiet about the 2nd Amendment all during the big run-up campaigns this summer. Gov. Arnold S. spoke at the biggest event, and is very much in favor of gun-control, as are an increasing number of RINO's, i.e., Republicans In Name Only. (He recently signed a .50 center-fire ban into law.) Arnold is also hinting at running for President, and is slowly building support for a Constitutional Amendment that would allow foreign born citizens to hold that office.

Parting Thought: All citizens who hold Public Office in this Country, are required by the U.S. Constitution, to obey and uphold it. If not, they are to be removed from office! Last Summer, "W.", said that he would have signed a renewed AWB, if it had hit his desk (seems like that would be a violation - in my opinion). The New Year is coming up, and I wonder just how much you've researched some of the upcoming legislation that is laced with all sorts of anti-gun "crap". Oh, there is also stuff in the House and the Senate about a National I.D. Card. (You know, identity papers, just like in Communist China, and other authoritarian countries!) There are Republicans who are supporting it. Ever read George Orwell's 1984? Hanging out in the Legal & Political section of this forum might not be a bad idea either.

Change is painful AUG, just look at what our Founding Forefathers had to go through to acquire our freedoms! I would suggest reading a few books by Thomas Jefferson or Benjamin Franklin for starters. Truth can be a scary thing, and most people are content to go with the herd like a bunch of lemmings.

God Bless America... Please! We sure could use the Help!
 
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Arnold might be trying to gear up for a run on the White House but it will never happen. He might have a few in Kailfornia that would support a change to the USC, but I don't believe the main stream Americans would put up with it. I know I won't, Arnold or no Arnold.

I really feel your pain with the direction Kailfornia has gone. I was hoping the there would be no further restrictions while a Repub was in office as Gov but I was hoping for too much.

As for the NRA, yeah they could maybe use their dollars better, but who couldn't. I still maintain that they are the one the politicos worry about. Several years ago one of your female elected Senators anounced the NRA was dead....then a bunch of pro gun Repubs got elected.
 
The simple truth is that the NRA has become nothing more than an organization that exists to line the pockets of those who run it. Any thought of being a voice for 2nd Amendment rights was pushed aside long ago in favor of making millionaires out of those who profess to be trying to protect your right to carry.

Anyone who financially supports the NRA these days is a fool.
 
Let's also remember what the NRA has done for the cause too... They WROTE the 68 gun control act and other gun control legislation. When NRA members stand up to change things though the ballot box, the NRA refuses to help cause they did not think of it first. When the people of PRK rose up to remove the worst enemy of the 2nd the state had ever seen, the NRA was silent and refused to endorse any candidates or even rate them.

The NRA is good for safety, education, and range development, but when it comes to protecting the 2nd, they just suck.

NRA could take a lesson from GOA and start using the mailing tactics they use.
 
CAGoatee,

I understand what you are saying and I don't disagree with the constitution party beliefs. I do disagree with someone pissing a vote away on a party with ZERO chance of winning. How many elected positions does the constitution party currently hold? I will accept ANY public office (elected) including positions such as dog catcher.

See what I mean about being a idealistic dreamer? I would love to help but by throwing away my vote on a party that could not get elected to school board is not helping the cause. It is setting us back by division.
 
CAGoatee said:
Change is painful AUG, just look at what our Founding Forefathers had to go through to acquire our freedoms! I would suggest reading a few books by Thomas Jefferson or Benjamin Franklin for starters. Truth can be a scary thing, and most people are content to go with the herd like a bunch of lemmings.
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How insulting. Nice welcome to your party!

What have you folks in kalifornia done to protect your freedoms? I would suggest YOU start changing things in kalifornia before you start telling people to read books. The truth is scary my friend. When you start living with the truth it will hit home.
 
If I had Done Something???

How insulting. Nice welcome to your party!
What have you folks in kalifornia done to protect your freedoms? I would suggest YOU start changing things in kalifornia before you start telling people to read books.
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Let me get this straight, you insult me for voting my conscience, then expect me not to defend my position? So, are you also telling me that if someone comes at me with a knife, that I am not to use my gun to protect myself too!? If someone stabbed you, you would not fight back? And for defending my vote of conscience, I am the bad guy??? Next you tell me I have not tried to make a change in California... try reading all of my posts!

If you had read them thoroughly, you would see that I have done my best to change things:

1. In the primary elections earlier this year, I voted for the only candidate for Governor of California who supported the RKBA, i.e., Tom Mc Clintock, but the REPUBLICAN Party pressured all of the local Republican chapters to vote for the anti-gun Arnold S. in the General Election.
2. In disgust, I changed to the Constitution Party, which openly supports the RKBA, and did my best to conduct a grass-roots campaign in my neighborhood.
3. I belong to several RKBA groups, and support them financially (not the NRA however).
4. Send e-mail, and make telephone calls to my Senators and Representative urging them to obey the U.S. Constitution.
5. Leave phone messages on the White House opinion line urging the President to ACTIVELY promote the RKBA.

However, after seeing an anti-gun Republican governor get elected to office, I realized that this State is a lost cause. So I am moving.

This idea of supporting a failing RKBA group; the NRA, is like telling the passengers of the Titanic, that the ship is unsinkable, not to worry, let the band play on, and that there is no need to get into the life boats. I don't "hate" the NRA, it's just that the ship is sinking.
 
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The NRA gave up on California many years ago. I cite our own gun ban that predates the now defunct Clinton Gun Ban. Yet, I still belong because I am concerned about other states.
 
The NRA Wrote the 1968 Gun Control Act... Traitors!

Let's also remember what the NRA has done for the cause too... They WROTE the 68 gun control act and other gun control legislation
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UPDATED: Jim, I misunderstood your post the first time I read it. I thought you were happy that the NRA had done that. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Also, thanks for the historical lesson too! I had completely forgotten that the NRA sellout of America's Constitutional loving citizens had begun with them writing the Gun Control Act, in 1968. Traitors! :mad: :barf:
 
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I Don't Get it... The the NRA Sold-Out CA, and...

The NRA gave up on California many years ago. I cite our own gun ban that predates the now defunct Clinton Gun Ban. Yet, I still belong
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You admit that the NRA sold-out California, yet you still want them to "help" you retain your 2nd Amendment Rights in the rest of the Country!?

The NRA may be good at organizing pistol matches, but they are failing in the RKBA fight. (Again, you admit they dumped California)! So, then you say that you still trust them to protect your gun rights in the State that you reside in? :confused:
 
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Goat, why don't we call it a draw? You hate the NRA; you're not alone. Some here do not. We all agree that the RKBA is what we're about. Can this discussion possibly be constructive?

Tim
 
I Want America to Remain a Free Country

Tim,

First of all, I just want to thank you and the others who argued against my opinions about the NRA, because you at least care enough to discuss it. What we don't agree on, is the effectiveness of that organization to protect our RKBA.

I purposely chose the "NRA Lame Duck" title to generate debate, because as you know, many gun owners do not even care enough to vote, let alone, join any RKBA organization(s) or even discuss the issues or possible solutions either. :(

Having said that, supporting a failing RKBA group, i.e., the NRA, is like telling the passengers of the Titanic, that the ship is unsinkable, not to worry, let the band play on, and that there is no need to get into the life boats. I don't "hate" the NRA, it's just that the ship is sinking.

For those who agree with me; unfortunately for us, we see current events as being dire regarding the 2nd Amendment, as well as the rest of our Bill of Rights. Personally, I really hope to God that I am completely wrong, because if I am correct, then this wonderful Country of ours - as we know it - is in grave danger.

I won't be back online for about a month, as I am moving... out of the PRC, i.e., the newly emerging Peoples Republic of California. It's too bad, as it is a beautiful place.


Best of Holidays to All!
 
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"you say that you still trust them to protect your gun rights in the State that you reside in?"

I don't think of any organization as being capable of, or responsible for, protecting my gun rights. The NRA is doing what they can and voting members can encourage them to do more. They are on our side, as are many other groups, and every little bit helps.

John

visit www.vcdl.org - "They're pretty effective, I have to give them credit."
Jim Sollo, Chairman of Virginians Against Handgun Violence
Virginian Pilot - Nov 11, 2002
 
Also, thanks for the historical lesson too! I had completely forgotten that the NRA sellout of America's Constitutional loving citizens had begun with them writing the Gun Control Act, in 1968
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Actually, it began with them helping promote the [state-level] Uniform Machinegun Act of 1932
 
The answer is

Still Viable and Does Good Things.

But, slowly losing ground to the more efficient and uncompromising Gun Owners of America. www.gunowners.org This is for the best, as it will eventually cause them to be less compromising and more aggressive.
 
Name one sinle gun control bill the GOA has defeated in DC without the help of the NRA?

I'll save your time trying to google an answer. It is none!
 
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