NRA is getting on my nerves

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chris in va

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As usual they send me tons of envelopes asking for money...I can deal with that.

But yesterday I get one endorsing Kilgore as the next governor of VA, giving Kaine an 'F' on all accounts. Hell, they even included two NRA/Kilgore bumper stickers.

Now that's all fine and good where firearms are concerned, but I don't know jack about either candidate and I'm certainly not going to rush out and vote for someone simply because they get and 'A' from the NRA! What if this guy has done something really horrible in other areas of politics?

I don't follow the political scene, but this one just riled me a bit.
 
I understand what your sayin' Chris, but the NRA's "subject" is firearms, not how the guy is going to spend your tax dollars.

It wouldn't be prudent for them to give you a spreadsheet scoring the candidate on issues from gay marriage to abortion - as their main objective with this mailing is to educate you on the candidates stand on firearms. So they're letting you know, that in this subject, that candidate scores an A... the other an F.

chris_in_va said:
Now that's all fine and good where firearms are concerned, but I don't know jack about either candidate...

I don't follow the political scene...
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Therein lies the problem. Don't expect the National RIFLE Association to send you a summary of the candidate other than what would pertain to... well, you know, firearms.
 
Candidate Info

FYI, an easy search on the Internet will give you information (some objective, some not so) on the candidates' voting records on major issues.

The NRA is a "single issue" organization and as such, pushes candidates, in all jurisdictions, that are favorable to their agenda.
 
I agree. The NRA is not endorsing anything else about a candidate or should they- except for where they stand on firearms regulation.
 
"Now that's all fine and good where firearms are concerned, but I don't know jack about either candidate and I'm certainly not going to rush out and vote for someone simply because they get and 'A' from the NRA! What if this guy has done something really horrible in other areas of politics?"

Hum... Let's think about this for a second.

Is NRA worried about the car tax in Virginia? No.

Is NRA worried about the state of schools in Virginia? No.

Is NRA worried about transportation in Virginia? No.

What is NRA worried about? The stance of the governor on the issue of firearms and firearms rights for the citizens of the Commonwealth. That's the ONLY issue about which they're concerned.

That's going to be the case with virtually EVERY single issue organization out there. You think Virginians for Smart Growth Coalition is going to be worried about either candidate's stance on firearms? Hell no.

It's up to YOU to decide if the candidate, the ENTIRE candidate, is right for you or not.


Harrumph. Lots of people beat me to the correct explanation. :)


To be perfectly honest, I may well sit this goobernatorial (spelling intentional) election out. To be honest, I don't trust Kilgore on the firearms issue. He refuses to fill out the VCDL questionnaire, which at least Kaine had the fortitude to do.

Even worse, Kilgore's minions have been talking slap against VCDL and its leaders, which I do not in the least care for.

Simply put, I don't trust Kilgore, and I KNOW I don't trust Tim Kaine.

I wish Mark Warner were running again.

Yeah, he's a Democrat, he raised taxes, but by God he did right by gun owners in the Commonwealth. He's a Democrat I can support.

Last time around NRA endorsed Mark Erley (sp?). I really thought that was a mistake then (I didn't think either one deserved endorsement, how wrong I was!), and I think it's a mistake that NRA is endorsing Kilgore now. I just have a horrific feeling that he's not what he says he is.
 
Alright, I guess to fine tune my initial point is the way they word things with the endorsements. Rather than state the recommendation is solely based on his 2A standing, they just fully support his position no matter what, as long as gun ownership/use is preserved. They appeal to the individual narrow minded enough to vote solely for whoever they feel makes their cut.

So Kilgore could be a gung-ho gun advocate yet be totally lax on immigration/illegal alien laws (just an example).

I guess I'm just of the mindset that there's more to life than toting around 35oz of steel everywhere.:eek: :rolleyes:
 
I think you nailed it Chris. Figure out your priorities, do your homework on the candidates, and make your selection.

hkg3 is a 2A priority person.

You may put more weight on other issues - and vote based on those issues, even if that means voting on someone who is opposed to 2A.

Sometimes it's about picking the lesser evil... politics suck that way. :(
 
"They appeal to the individual narrow minded enough to vote solely for whoever they feel makes their cut."

Narrow minded?

You mean people who have one issue that they believe to be more important than all others in their lives?

You mean people like me?

I don't have kids, so I don't give a **** about the state of public schools in Virginia.

No matter what they promise, no politicial or party is ever going to be able to truly get a handle on transportation issues in Northern Virginia. The area is simply growing too quickly.

Abortion, homosexual rights, all the rest? Those pale in importance for me compared to the firearms issue.

Taxes? Now we're getting a little closer, but you know, I've grown accustomed to the services I get in Northern Virginia, so again that issue isn't a big X factor for me.

How about all the people screaming about how the area is being deforested/clear cut? Cut me a frigging break. Up until the 1930s or so, Northern Virginia was virtually devoid of trees. It was a HUGE expanse of farm country.
 
Trip, I understand your point on putting weight on other issues. USUALLY when I vote for a pro-gun candidate their politics TEND to be at least somewhatinline with my constrictive political views.

Sometimes it's about picking the lesser evil
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I agree 100%. For me, voting for Bush was that kind of compromise. He is much better that Algore, and that other freak, but I would have much rather seen a Libertarian or someone from the Constitutional Party get in.

At least the AWB died on Bushes watch.
 
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hkg3 - you and I are on the same page, but I think you might have misunderstood my intentions with the "putting weight on other issues" point.

In speaking to chris_in_va, I was using you as an example of someone who, at this point in time, is a single issue voter (same as me right now). I then made the comment about putting weight on other issues because that is what Chris seems to do. There's nothing wrong with either philosophy, and I was really just contrasting the two types of voters to show Chris that there are actually people that appreciate the info from the NRA.

chris_in_va said:
I guess I'm just of the mindset that there's more to life than toting around 35oz of steel everywhere.
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Your absolutely right. However, up until last year I have never given handguns/ccw much though. I was one of those guys that has his hunting rifles, a shotgun and that's it. I didn't care much about the whole CCW/2A situation (sad to admit). So the way I look at it, I've given every other issue my undivided attention up until now. This year, I will be making up for this neglect.

I will be voting solely based on 2A this year. WI just introduced their CCW bill in a press conference a couple weeks ago. We have a tough battle, and I'll be paying very close attention to how each and every politician handles this topic. My votes will be based according to this topic alone.

Narrow-minded? Maybe. But that's what is important to me at the moment. The only other issue that really matters to me is that which pertains to my 5yr old (public schools...etc).

But when I really evaluate that situation - we do not rely on the school system to keep him up to par, we do that at home. The school lays the ground work, we reinforce at home.

Relying solely on the public school system is similar to sitting on the couch all day while collecting a welfare check. IMHO.
 
Amen, Mike Irwin,

As hard as it is for this VRWC-card holder to say it, Democrat Warner performed far above expectations vis the Commonwealth's gun owners, and we're better off for his administration than we'd have ever been under Mark Earley. I recall, sheepishly, how outraged I was at the blaze orange "Sportmen for Warner" signs that sprouted up around Virginia - such affrontery! But he kept his word in that regard. As to the "Sportsmen," I see Kaine tore that page out of Warner's playbook.

Kaine is a gun-grabbing statist thug who used city funds as mayor of Richmond to support the Million Commie Mommies. He likes gun bans, waiting periods, municipal gun buy-backs, and spurious negligence lawsuits against the industry. So, he's a known quantity, an evil one at that.

Slick lawyer Kilgore talks large about being a "Second Amendment defender," yet he refused to fill out the VCDL's gun-rights questionnaire, an extensive and quite specific survey of current gun issues in Virginia that demands the candidate speak clearly to these issues. And, yes, Kilgore's mouthpieces are throwing brickbats at Phil van Cleave and VCDL, perhaps the single most effective gun-rights organization in the country. I simply cannot trust the man.

<sigh> I may sit on my hands for this one.
 
Nothing is more important than the Bill of Rights

Personally, I will vote for a candidate based entirely on his Second Amendment point of view.
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This has become my philosophy, too. If a candidate has his/her mind right about the Second Amendment, that tells me what he/she thinks about issues regarding personal liberty and the individual.

Gasoline prices, utility prices, taxes, education, the environment, health care, social security, the military and foreign policy are all important issues. None of them are more important than my Second Amendment rights.

Without personal liberty - and you do not have personal liberty without the right to arms - nothing else matters. There is no soccer mom/liberal/tree hugger/free education/free healthcare/socialist utopia that can make up for the loss of our birthright as Americans, which is the Bill of Rights - all ten amendments of it.

Nothing is more important than our Bill of Rights - just ask anyone who has lived in a nation where there isn't one.
 
What is your problem?

NRA got on your nerves? How would you like Hillary? How about Algore? I hear he has accused us of torturing terrorist!! being forced to jump out of a burning high rise isnt torture you understand!!!!
 
I'm a single-issue voter, but not about gun rights per se.

My issue is freedom.

The RKBA appears to be the best litmus test for freedom. It surely isn't sufficient, and politicians lie about it just as much as they lie about everything else, but if I know nothing else about a candidate other than his stance on the RKBA, I'm usually willing to give him a chance.

pax
 
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