NRA: Friend or Loyal Opposition

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The Elimination of Gun Control is simple.

Somehow get all or most of gun owners to pry their wallets open and send $35 to the NRA. The NRA is the most powerful gun lobby with a mere 3.5 million members, can you imagine what having 90 million or even 50 million members would do? There would be no gun control. :mad:
 
So you think geezers with $15k trap shotguns are going to care about some kid's $800 ugly black rifle? That's just one example out of hundreds possible.
 
Somehow get all or most of gun owners to pry their wallets open and send $35 to the NRA. The NRA is the most powerful gun lobby with a mere 3.5 million members, can you imagine what having 90 million or even 50 million members would do? There would be no gun control.
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Couldn't have said it better!!

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Another "join the NRA or loose your guns" thread? I have but one question for you: Where were they on AWB 1.0? Taking a nap? In the john?

As for me, I am going to buy what guns I can now(waiting for my AR to come in to pay the last $250 on it), using every spare cent I can raise. The NRA will get my money when they pry it from my cold dead hands.
 
jkkimberfan
+1 your point is well taken, and aptly made... :)


There are too many people using NRA's "need for money"... as an excuse for not joining... or forever complaining about what it doesn't do...instead of praising it for what it does.

I figure if you join the NRA you have added your name to the "power" list and strengthened their voice... even if you never give a cent more than membership fees. :rolleyes:

If you all had joined before AWB 1.0, the numbers alone, of a doubled, or even tripled, membership would have prevented it ever becoming more than a figment of imagination, which never would have gotten out of committee. :(

The secret of lobby power and elections, is in the numbers...

If you will not join us... at least stop making negative insinuations which hurt us more than you know... PLEASE?

I'm a Life Member of the NRA. ;)
 
I Kinda look at it like not voting, if ya don't vote, don't complain about whats happening politically. If you don't belong to the NRA even if a member of another organization you haven't much room to complain about currant or proposed gun laws.
 
If you all had joined before AWB 1.0, the numbers alone, of a doubled, or even tripled, membership would have prevented it ever becoming more than a figment of imagination, which never would have gotten out of committee.
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If ifs and buts were candy and nuts... When the '94 AWB went into effect I was 11. I didn't care one way or the other about guns. Face it, we had Klinton in the White House and a house and Senate full of Democrats. Nothing was going to stop it.

How about another Q? Where was the NRA when the Brady Bill was signed? They had a true Republican in the White House and they could not prevent that peice of work. If they couldn't stop that one, they couldn't lobby their way out of a wet paper bag.:eek:

Rem33, that only works when you are a member of the group. Just becasue I am not an NRA member does not mean that I can't worry about electing gun-friendly politicians who will not pass bad laws. What you are saying is akin to telling every gun owner in the US (something like 50 million people) that is not a member of the NRA (3.5 m) to shut up. We are the majority, thanks.
 
I disagree. I am a member of the NRA but I feel that since the NRA is almost a dirty word these days that no matter how many members they have politicians will not get to chummy with them as long as it might turn off middle of the road voters. I think the NRA needs to pull it's head out of it's arse and stop being an extension on the right wing of the republican party and start serving all gun owners again. Just reading the political clap trap they kept sending to me this year almost made me renounce my membership.
 
I always found it funny that the NRA always endorses Republican Canidates. This in spite of Bush appointing an anti-gun AG. I maintain they are just a front for the GOP. Why do they never endorse a third party? Michael Badnarik(sp?) was 10X the pro-gunner that Bush is. And he's not alone. Look at the Libertarian postion on guns. Look at the Constitution Party postion on guns. Both of which have the guts to publicly oppose the 34 NFA and the 68 GCA. Which is more then I'm hearing for the reps. If they were truely pro-gun they'd endorse these canidates. If the "NRA is the biggest supporter of gun rights in D.C." arguement holds water then the third party never winning arguement is void. After all they fought off the AWB and all these other laws. Surely it would not be that much of a stretch for them to endorse a canidate thereby gaining 3.5 million (or what ever the membership number is) votes for them. But they won't because they are a front organization. Prove me wrong guys. Show me that the NRA is not just a front for the GOP. What party do they always endorse (with the exception of a few canidates which is needed to draw away attention from their true goals)
 
To Playboypenguin...

I'd have to agree that the NRA is too right wing in my opinion, that's part of the reason why I haven't joined it. As for the idea of "Join the NRA or lose your guns". By who's authority would we lose our guns if we didn't join the NRA? In truth if the government were to confiscate guns, there are only TWO options in such a situation... complicity or resistance. If/when the time comes what will you choose? So sad that we've become a nation of sheep. I would hope that every freedom loving citizen would resist if such a thing were to happen. (And it did happen in New Orleans. Don't forget there were National Guard troops sent by Republicans to take away guns from citizens, if that isn't proof that neither politcal party is feasible I don't know what is.)


Epyon
 
I don't believe it's anywhere near that simple.
The majority of the American voting public support some level of gun control. So long as that's the case there will be politicians who will push for it, NRA membership notwithstanding.
IMO the best way to throttle gun control is to start at the bottom. "Take a liberal shooting Day". ;)
 
rhgunguy
If they couldn't stop that one, (Brady) they couldn't lobby their way out of a wet paper bag.
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If they had 10 to 50 million members they most certainly could have...

Because of negative people, like you, the Anti-gunners are gaining an even greater NUMBER of members while we, the NRA, are barely growing...

Shotgun Minister
Why do they never endorse a third party?
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:rolleyes:
The answer is obvious! To do so would spread their numbers too thin, and would weaken their efforts...

I've read some of your posts and I hadn't seen any hint of short-sightedness... until now. :o

Playboypenguin
I disagree...in that no matter how many members they have, politicians will not get too chummy with them (The NRA) as long as it might turn off middle of the road voters.
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I can see how you might think this is true... But, again, our thread starter is talking 50,000,000 members!
With that much clout we could override their fear of the middle-roaders and fill them with fear of the NRA.
GoSlash27
The majority of the American voting public support some level of gun control.
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The American public is kept ignorant by the anti-gunner propaganda, among other things. :rolleyes:
If every pro-carry gunner was a member of the NRA, 50,000,000 plus voters goes one-hell-of-a-long-way toward educating "The majority of the American voting public". How many people went to the polls??? about 80,000,000 I think... :rolleyes:

Epyon
I'd have to agree that the NRA is too right wing in my opinion...
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Possibly so... but, I think it only appears that way... The NRA is supporting gun rights... and gun rights are considerably more supported from the right than from the left... and you get your support where you find it...

Nearly all the anti-gunner leadership personalities are far-leftists, or socialists, or at least non-conservative Democrats...

Cut the NRA some slack... give them a little support...

"The enemy of your enemy, is your friend"... until further notice! :D :D
 
Ya'll have a Happy Thanksgiving...

I wish you all much to be thankful for... ;)

Like fresh, clean, hot and cold running water...
A warm bed...
A roof over your head...
clothes on your back...
A gun or two... :D
And freedom! :) :) :)
 
The American public is kept ignorant by the anti-gunner propaganda, among other things.
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You can attack the reason behind the belief all you want. It still doesn't change the fact that they believe it. So long as they believe it, it will be politically expedient to support it. ":rolleyes: " right back atcha.
 
Possibly so... but, I think it only appears that way... The NRA is supporting gun rights... and gun rights are considerably more supported from the right than from the left... and you get your support where you find it...
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This is true. However, if the NRA would stop exclusively supporting and endorsing Republicans, even over vocally pro-gun Democrats (even those that the NRA itself gives an "A" rating to) and pro-gun third-party candidates then I could probably bring myself to give them my money. As it is I can't justify placing the 2nd amendment over the rest, so I'll continue to look for other avenues in which to defend my gun rights.

The NRA just needs to remember that there are plenty of liberals, or centrists, who own guns too.
 
How DC works.

Numbers translate into votes and thus power. Politicians only care about numbers/votes and their re-election. The NRA is not perfect, but it's the best there is. If just half of gun owners would stop making excuses, cough up $35 each year (our victory will take several years) and join the NRA, then all gun control laws would be haulted and reversed and all states would have Alaska/Vermont style handgun carry. LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE! Continue to sit there complaining about nonsense and allow NRA membership to shift between 3 and 4 million and watch as more gun control laws are passed and then you will get your knock at the door. And I stand by my belief that many gun owners are just too CHEAP to spend $35 each year! What do you want more? $35 or Alaska/Vermont gun laws? :barf:
 
I'm also confused about this statement:
If every pro-carry gunner was a member of the NRA, 50,000,000 plus voters goes one-hell-of-a-long-way toward educating "The majority of the American voting public". How many people went to the polls??? about 80,000,000 I think...
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Are you suggesting that 50 million pro-gunners aren't voting their guns? Are you suggesting that they would if they only sent the NRA some money first?

Are you suggesting that 62% of American voters are actually pro-gun, and are just lying about it in the polls?

Pardon my bluntness, but something don't compute. See...I think they vote for whoever best reflects their interests. I think gun control wouldn't exist at all if the majority of Americans didn't want it.
I don't think that can be changed merely by sending the NRA some cash and putting your name on their list.

I also think we pro-gunners have an image problem, due in part to certain folks who come across as paranoid, abrasive, gun-happy, self-delusional, and disingenuous.
Not naming any names....

I think that if the average pro-gun control American was introduced to shooting and shooters, they would quickly realize on their own that the issue has been mis-framed and that we're actually a pretty good group of folks to be around (overall). That just might make them a little more reasonable about the subject.
 
I think that if the average pro-gun control American was introduced to shooting and shooters, they would quickly realize on their own that the issue has been mis-framed and that we're actually a pretty good group of folks to be around (overall). That just might make them a little more reasonable about the subject.
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Pretty much. That's what did it for me...it was called "the military."

But, as a gun-loving liberal (such things do exist), the NRA simply does not represent me. Hence the reason they won't get my money. It certainly isn't just because I'm cheap.
 
I always found it funny that the NRA always endorses Republican Canidates
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Baloney. You obviously haven't done your homework. The NRA does endorse pro-gun democrats; ever heard of John Dingell?
 
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