Funny, this article seems to say the exact opposite of the OP's premise:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/10/gun-rights-poll_n_6304740.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/10/gun-rights-poll_n_6304740.html
Not your (NRA) America Anymore....
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kilimanjaro
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The Post doesn't know, it's just making assumptions based on previously biased assumptions and polling.
Having a President who could say, 'I own one of these assault rifles, including large-capacity magazines, and when you voted me into office I acquired access to nuclear weapons. I'm not giving up my gun rights, nor are 90 million other Americans because you want them to give them up. We are not the problem.", would go a very long way to ending the issue in this country.
Having a President who could say, 'I own one of these assault rifles, including large-capacity magazines, and when you voted me into office I acquired access to nuclear weapons. I'm not giving up my gun rights, nor are 90 million other Americans because you want them to give them up. We are not the problem.", would go a very long way to ending the issue in this country.
not your nra anymore
I didn't see any cite of study or survey.
Ever been to an NRA function? I haven't been in several years but doctors, lawyers, bankers, the whole spectrum of Americans.
I'll let him in on a secret most of your successful people, Millionairs etc, I ever met are not professors nor hold doctorates or even attended college.
A great many never finished high school.
They are brighter and have common sense and are not of the criminal mindset, of Socialist and liars.
The guy that wrote this is fascinated with his own verbocity and false righteousness.
I didn't see any cite of study or survey.
Ever been to an NRA function? I haven't been in several years but doctors, lawyers, bankers, the whole spectrum of Americans.
I'll let him in on a secret most of your successful people, Millionairs etc, I ever met are not professors nor hold doctorates or even attended college.
A great many never finished high school.
They are brighter and have common sense and are not of the criminal mindset, of Socialist and liars.
The guy that wrote this is fascinated with his own verbocity and false righteousness.
carguychris
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+1, particularly the use of the dog-whistle trope "white, rural and relatively less educated voters" which, coupled with references to this group's "decline", negatively stereotypes gun owners – a common strategy in political anti-gun hit pieces. (Also note that the accompanying picture invariably shows older overweight white guys looking at gun-show tables, rather than, say, a young and attractive Asian woman with a gun.)Tom Servo said:
The stereotyping continues with unsupported and vague statistics about support for gun control among blacks, Latinos, and particularly Asians, as if these groups are monolithic and unchanging in their views.
No... Label them what you want, his interpretation of the data in those three areas is largely correct (PEW surveys):
http://www.people-press.org/2015/08/13/gun-rights-vs-gun-control/#urbanity
That said, the interesting fact is the INCREASING advocacy of weapons rights over the last 20 years -- men AND women.
That said [also], I still remain concerned over the future trend of the demographics amongst the inherent good Guys vs Grabber segements.
http://www.people-press.org/2015/08/13/gun-rights-vs-gun-control/#urbanity
That said, the interesting fact is the INCREASING advocacy of weapons rights over the last 20 years -- men AND women.
That said [also], I still remain concerned over the future trend of the demographics amongst the inherent good Guys vs Grabber segements.
Glenn E. Meyer
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Immigration is not the issue here. If the NRA wants to publish its magazine in versions for different segments of the population, that is a free market decision for them.
Deleted some posts that were going off track.
Deleted some posts that were going off track.
carguychris
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I don't necessarily dispute the data.mehavey said:
I dislike the use of racially-charged dog-whistle code words – "white, rural and relatively less educated voters" sounds nice on the surface, but I think its use in this article is akin to the code phrase "urban youth".
kilimanjaro
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'less well educated' than whom? A Poly Sci major now working at Starbucks and getting his news reports watching Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert?
If you don't like the results, don't blame the data. It's what it is.
"Wish it weren't so" does not address the root problem.
Interestingly [still], 2A support was on the uptick generally across the board,
until the opposition began really going to town on the media blitz just recently.
So yes. It can happen here -- just inundate & brainwash.
Why do you think so much money gets thrown into elections?
While I will admit it sounds nicer than "redneck hillbilly high school dropouts", that is what some people are going to hear.
The fact that some of us are ethnically white, don't live in town or suburbs, (BY CHOICE) and life took us on paths that didn't include Ivy league schools shouldn't be an insult. But it is wielded as if it is.
The data shows what it shows. I take no offense from that. However,, stating the technical facts in a manner that is perceived as a derogatory sneer is a different matter.
As others have noted, I have never gotten anything from the NRA asking me about race, or education level. Rural? well they DO have my address....
Point is, if the NRA doesn't tabulate this information about its own members, anyone else's "data" is simply their best guess.
Every gun owner is not an NRA member, and surprise, surprise, there are NRA members that are not gun owners (although probably not many.
)And here's another point, one that I think often baffles the gun banners, the fact that there are ethnic populations that don't follow the "standard" views for their group. They follow the standards of their geographic area, not their ethnic background.
What people ARE matters little, or none. What they DO matters a great deal.
Sadly, there are all too many people who cannot seem to see this.
Gun rights aren't going anywhere, but the NRA bloc is (literally) moving towards dying off.
My friend group leans towards young (20s and early 30s), highly educated professionals in white collar jobs, mostly technical fields. Lots of gun owners, lots of CCW holders, several competitive shooters. A few conservatives, a few liberals, mostly pretty moderate leaning socially liberal. Not much love for the NRA in that group. I don't know of any who are members.
Gun rights aren't the sole purview of conservatives or any of the sub-factions contained therein. The NRA will either get its head around this idea or die.
My friend group leans towards young (20s and early 30s), highly educated professionals in white collar jobs, mostly technical fields. Lots of gun owners, lots of CCW holders, several competitive shooters. A few conservatives, a few liberals, mostly pretty moderate leaning socially liberal. Not much love for the NRA in that group. I don't know of any who are members.
Gun rights aren't the sole purview of conservatives or any of the sub-factions contained therein. The NRA will either get its head around this idea or die.
Bartholomew Roberts
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Merad said:
I don't think the NRA has any trouble understanding that issue given its diverse and bipartisan membership. If anything, I'd say the problem is low-information gun owners who have no idea the ways in which the NRA helpls everyone who buy into what they see on the evening news.
Bartholomew Roberts
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Is the data accurate though? Off the top of my head, I can think of several reasons a surburban o rurban member of the NRA might be less likely to discolse to a pollster that they are a member.
I'll give you there's pollster uncertainty built in -- usually stated as a percentage.
It's the trend that I look for.
Over the last ten years the trend has been in our favor. But I also see
a troubling/significant downtick from the last datapoint, far in excess of
the usual uncertainty. Brainwashing does work, and in this day & age
it's a function of moneythrown at it in the media...and the schools.
Just ask Jesse Watters and Mark Dice.
It's the trend that I look for.
Over the last ten years the trend has been in our favor. But I also see
a troubling/significant downtick from the last datapoint, far in excess of
the usual uncertainty. Brainwashing does work, and in this day & age
it's a function of moneythrown at it in the media...and the schools.
Just ask Jesse Watters and Mark Dice.
Here's a link to an article from the NRA-ILA referencing a CNN poll where the majority of those asked had a favorable view of the NRA and oppose more gun control.
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20151023/polls-show-majority-of-americans-view-nra-favorably-don-t-want-new-gun-controls-and-recognize-right-to-carry-makes-us-safer
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20151023/polls-show-majority-of-americans-view-nra-favorably-don-t-want-new-gun-controls-and-recognize-right-to-carry-makes-us-safer
A large flaw with a poll asking if the person supports stricter or more lenient gun control laws is the assumption that the person polled has any idea what the current laws actually are.
If the person buys into the MSM narrative that guns are mostly unregulated, he might think that more restrictions are desirable.
If the person buys into the MSM narrative that guns are mostly unregulated, he might think that more restrictions are desirable.
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